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Does America Need Tariffs on US Corporations?

Should there be Tariffs?

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Tariffs will not help, what will is time. As the economies of the developing countries grow, the cost of outsourcing there increases and will eventually lead to the jobs moving back to the US anyway. However, what we will see, I think, is the creation of manufacturing areas in all developed nations. As a consumer base is created in nations where work goes and the cost of transporting the goods increases, there will come a need to produce in each nation, what that nation consumes. So it will all balance out in the end, in the meantime the only thing that will come from placing high tariffs is that nations like China will do so on our exports making it harder to sell US made goods abroad.
 
jamesrage said:
Tariffs should be imposed on companies who outsource mostly to save on labor. The US government should not engage in allowing or encouraging companies to outsource seeing how this causes American companies to outsource and severely disadvantages Americans companies who don't. Those who consider or call themselves patriotic Americans should not be tolerating outsourcing or globalism in any form. OUr founding forefathers imposed tarrifs because they knew American companies could not compete with cheaper imported goods. Our politicians jobs is to serve the American people, they are employees of all American people.So politicians should not be tossing the salad of only the corporations.


BTW if a company packed up shop and moved overseas to have their things made is it really an American company?
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James...you are sounding like a Democrat
 
disneydude said:
James...you are sounding like a Democrat
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No, he's sounding like a real Republican. These are the guys that say they're for capitalism, but they're really just corporatists. The bailout happened under Republicans with Republican support and the steel tarriffs happened under a Republican presdient with Republican support.
 
Gabriel said:
I think you are failing to realise the mess your country is in, it isn't because of protectionism or welfare bums. Ironically the mess you are in is directly attributable to libertarian economic policies.
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Here's my plan to create jobs.

1. Block out the sun, seriously it provides all that light and warmth with no remuneration.

2. Destroy all computers and the internet.
Why have a computer do, what 5 people can do.

3. Destroy all tractors.
It saves so much on labor, it's just another form of outsourcing.
Aka, evil.

Those 3 things alone should provide enough jobs that all of America will be employed.



:doh
 
phattonez said:
No, he's sounding like a real Republican. These are the guys that say they're for capitalism, but they're really just corporatists. The bailout happened under Republicans with Republican support and the steel tarriffs happened under a Republican presdient with Republican support.
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Since when have Republicans cared about the outsourcing of American jobs? Especially as long as their base profits from it?
 
The ability to live outside our productive capacity (and our own labor costs) is so beneficial to Americans, that many of them now take it for granted.
 
disneydude said:
Since when have Republicans cared about the outsourcing of American jobs? Especially as long as their base profits from it?
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A business is going to draw a profit margin, whether or not, a job is done inside or outside the U.S.

Why make the consumer pay more, just so some joe blow can have an inefficient job?
 
disneydude said:
James...you are sounding like a Democrat
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Patriotism involves more than just waving a flag and saying you support the troops. Waving a flag and saying I support the troops does not mean squat if you encourage lots of decent paying jobs to ship over seas by removing tariffs. By allowing these companies to outsource we are supporting the economy of communist countries and we put ourselves at their mercy of these other countries because we decided to let them make our stuff. I do not believe in selling your country out for cheap goods and globalism. Anyone calling themselves patriotic should oppose outsourcing and globalism
 
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jamesrage said:
Patriotism involves more than just waving a flag and saying you support the troops. Waving a flag and saying I support the troops does not mean squat if you encourage lots of decent paying jobs to ship over seas by removing tariffs. By allowing these companies to outsource we are supporting the economy of communist countries and we put ourselves at their mercy of these other countries because we decided to let them make our stuff. I do not believe in selling your country out for cheap goods and globalism. Anyone calling themselves patriotic should oppose outsourcing and globalism
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James, notice how the more we buy stuff from China, the less likely they want to kill us?

Patriotism is overrated.
Whats the difference between a Chinese family trying to earn a living and an American family trying the same thing?
 
jamesrage said:
Patriotism involves more than just waving a flag and saying you support the troops. Waving a flag and saying I support the troops does not mean squat if you encourage lots of decent paying jobs to ship over seas by removing tariffs. By allowing these companies to outsource we are supporting the economy of communist countries and we put ourselves at their mercy of these other countries because we decided to let them make our stuff. I do not believe in selling your country out for cheap goods and globalism. Anyone calling themselves patriotic should oppose outsourcing and globalism
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You realize that protectionism makes American companies less productive right? Even the nationalistic argument fails. Protectionism is only practical whereby you secure your ability to defend yourself (in other words, if you get in a war, you want to be able to produce war goods rather than rely on a company that you might be at war with).
 
tlmorg02 said:
Tariffs will not help, what will is time. As the economies of the developing countries grow, the cost of outsourcing there increases and will eventually lead to the jobs moving back to the US anyway. However, what we will see, I think, is the creation of manufacturing areas in all developed nations. As a consumer base is created in nations where work goes and the cost of transporting the goods increases, there will come a need to produce in each nation, what that nation consumes. So it will all balance out in the end, in the meantime the only thing that will come from placing high tariffs is that nations like China will do so on our exports making it harder to sell US made goods abroad.
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BULL****.

Time means nothing while the same collection of pampered anti-Americans gets richer by destroying the middle class. No. Tariffs need to be 90% or better for
ALL OUTSOURCED LABOR. Make the republicocksuckers pay out their greedy assholes until they stop sending jobs to third world hell holes.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Here's my plan to create jobs.

1. Block out the sun, seriously it provides all that light and warmth with no remuneration.

2. Destroy all computers and the internet.
Why have a computer do, what 5 people can do.

3. Destroy all tractors.
It saves so much on labor, it's just another form of outsourcing.
Aka, evil.

Those 3 things alone should provide enough jobs that all of America will be employed.



:doh
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More backwards, anti-American rhetoric.
 
phattonez said:
You realize that protectionism makes American companies less productive right?Even the nationalistic argument fails. Protectionism is only practical whereby you secure your ability to defend yourself (in other words, if you get in a war, you want to be able to produce war goods rather than rely on a company that you might be at war with).
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How does ensuring American companies have a level playing field with non-American companies less productive? And how is an American company still an American company if it outsourced? That doesn't make any ****en sense, Calling a company that outsources an American company makes as much sense as calling Theodore Alvin Hall an American Patriot
 
phattonez said:
Great rebuttal. :roll:
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My point was it was a perfect response to other non-sensical statements that defy logic AND common sense. Like this like gem :roll: ............

Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla
Here's my plan to create jobs.

1. Block out the sun, seriously it provides all that light and warmth with no remuneration.

2. Destroy all computers and the internet.
Why have a computer do, what 5 people can do.

3. Destroy all tractors.
It saves so much on labor, it's just another form of outsourcing.
Aka, evil.

Those 3 things alone should provide enough jobs that all of America will be employed.
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That to ME makes no practical, logical or rational parallel to the subject in this thread.
 
The cost of products is always passed onto the consumer.

If a company has to pay more taxes - the price of their items go up.
If they have to pay fees and fines - that's passed on, too.
The customer is where all of their profit comes from. So if you were to raise taxes, fees, etc - then would only pass it on to the customer.

If we were providing these jobs for minimum wage in the US - then the cost of products would go up for several reasons: #1: base cost for products being imported will increase because everything's just more expensive to secure and distribute in the US. #2: taxes and fees, obviously, would increase in a variety of ways. #3: The cost for utilities (water, electric) would increase. #4: Pay and salary would increase - even *more so* when you have Union employees.

All of this is trickle-down overhead and expense which would just make these products *more* expensive. Who would be buying these more expensive items?
Do you truly feel that people would KEEP buying things they don't actually NEED if they are more - and more - expensive?

Worldwide the trend is: spend LESS, cover your basics, SAVE your surplus.

The suggestion of bringing jobs *back* to the US or raising taxes and fees, etc, would just make our current worldwide economic situation WORSE - not better.

It won't solve any problems. It'll create more problems.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
The cost of products is always passed onto the consumer.

If a company has to pay more taxes - the price of their items go up.
If they have to pay fees and fines - that's passed on, too.
The customer is where all of their profit comes from. So if you were to raise taxes, fees, etc - then would only pass it on to the customer.

If we were providing these jobs for minimum wage in the US - then the cost of products would go up for several reasons: #1: base cost for products being imported will increase because everything's just more expensive to secure and distribute in the US. #2: taxes and fees, obviously, would increase in a variety of ways. #3: The cost for utilities (water, electric) would increase. #4: Pay and salary would increase - even *more so* when you have Union employees.

All of this is trickle-down overhead and expense which would just make these products *more* expensive. Who would be buying these more expensive items?
Do you truly feel that people would KEEP buying things they don't actually NEED if they are more - and more - expensive?

Worldwide the trend is: spend LESS, cover your basics, SAVE your surplus.

The suggestion of bringing jobs *back* to the US or raising taxes and fees, etc, would just make our current worldwide economic situation WORSE - not better.

It won't solve any problems. It'll create more problems.
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Costs are only passed on as competition allows, often a company has no choice but to absorb cost increases.
 
jamesrage said:
Patriotism involves more than just waving a flag and saying you support the troops. Waving a flag and saying I support the troops does not mean squat if you encourage lots of decent paying jobs to ship over seas by removing tariffs. By allowing these companies to outsource we are supporting the economy of communist countries and we put ourselves at their mercy of these other countries because we decided to let them make our stuff. I do not believe in selling your country out for cheap goods and globalism. Anyone calling themselves patriotic should oppose outsourcing and globalism
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I agree with you 100%....I still think you are sounding like a Democrat ;-)
 
jamesrage said:
How does ensuring American companies have a level playing field with non-American companies less productive? And how is an American company still an American company if it outsourced? That doesn't make any ****en sense, Calling a company that outsources an American company makes as much sense as calling Theodore Alvin Hall an American Patriot
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Tarriffs do not ensure a level playing field. Free trade does that. A tarriff is a protection from competition.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
My point was it was a perfect response to other non-sensical statements that defy logic AND common sense. Like this like gem :roll: ............



That to ME makes no practical, logical or rational parallel to the subject in this thread.
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It has everything to do with this, actually. The tarriff argument is basically arguing against a better division of labor. It's the parallel of saying that we should get rid of computers since these take away so many jobs from accountants and bookkeepers. In reality though, computers save us time so that we can do more important things. We become more productive when we do more, so excluding a potential employer from our labor pool makes no economic sense.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
That to ME makes no practical, logical or rational parallel to the subject in this thread.
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Of course it's not practical or logical but it does apply to the subject of the thread.

People say outsourcing causes us to loose jobs and that these people overseas are doing these things for a much cheaper wage than natives here would do.

A lot of things have been outsources to machines and computers, not forgetting that the sun does all that work, for free.

How many jobs were lost because people no longer had to walk into a store to buy something?
They simply order it off the internet.

Get rid of the internet and we'll get those jobs back.
 
phattonez said:
Tarriffs do not ensure a level playing field. Free trade does that.
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What have you been smoking? I am sure some of the posters who sometimes engage in recreational drug use would like to have what you have.
Saying Free Trade creates a level playing field is like saying giving one man a real gun and another man plastic pellet gun and telling them to duel creates a level playing field. Only in Bizarro world does free trade create a level playing field.

A tarriff is a protection from competition.
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Tariffs ensure that companies here in the US can compete with foreign(can't really call them American if they outsourced) companies who use sweatshop labor and other forms of cheap labor.
 
jamesrage said:
What have you been smoking? I am sure some of the posters who sometimes engage in recreational drug use would like to have what you have.
Saying Free Trade creates a level playing field is like saying giving one man a real gun and another man plastic pellet gun and telling them to duel creates a level playing field. Only in Bizarro world does free trade create a level playing field.
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Free trade is a level playing field.
There are no artificial barriers of trade.

jamesrage said:
Tariffs ensure that companies here in the US can compete with foreign(can't really call them American if they outsourced) companies who use sweatshop labor and other forms of cheap labor.
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That assumes that the cheap labor is bad.

You may think that someone working in a sweatshop is being exploited because you're viewing it from an American perspective.
If you take that job away from them and they starve to death who have you helped?

Tariffs only make a consumer pay more for an item than they would have otherwise.
 
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