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Thread: Does America Need Tariffs on US Corporations?

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    Re: Does America Need Tariffs on US Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Those who outsource are a greater advantage than those who do not. So it is not level. Its like giving one duelist a plastic pellet gun and the other real gun and calling a level playing field.
    If money only flows one way, you'd be right.
    The Chinese and other countries don't take those American dollars and bury or burn them.
    They spend them on the things we do here, technology, development and services.
    Among other things.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is if that cheap labor is over seas,ensures that America does not produce its own goods and costs Americans their job as a result.
    Some goods are made overseas but I guarantee you that whoever makes our stuff, won't want to fight with us.
    They lose money if they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The if they do not know they are slaves then are they really slaves logic.
    Better to be a live "slave" than a dead "slave."

    You're viewing there standard of living through your bias.
    Everyone in the world can not live like an American can.
    There isn't enough energy and stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I could care less about some foreigner. Besides that they did not have those jobs before outsourcing.
    What's the difference between a foreign person and an American, besides nationality?
    What if the American who lost his/her job, is a criminal?
    What if the foreign person is the father of a child who creates a cure for cancer?


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Like what an extra 50 cents or a buck or two?
    Multiply that by millions of items and our standard of living declines because we can't afford to buy as much as we used to.
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    Re: Does America Need Tariffs on US Corporations?

    Uh, America is still the largest manufacturer in the world. What people mistake for the death of manufacturing is really the death of labor intensive manufacturing.

    Foreign Trade: Data - Historical Series

    Replacing 50 workers with 2 workers running automated machines to produce more goods does not equate to less manufacturing.
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    Re: Does America Need Tariffs on US Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Uh, America is still the largest manufacturer in the world. What people mistake for the death of manufacturing is really the death of labor intensive manufacturing.

    Foreign Trade: Data - Historical Series

    Replacing 50 workers with 2 workers running automated machines to produce more goods does not equate to less manufacturing.
    Thank you sir.
    I have watched this first hand, at my place of employment.
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    Re: Does America Need Tariffs on US Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Uh, America is still the largest manufacturer in the world. What people mistake for the death of manufacturing is really the death of labor intensive manufacturing.

    Foreign Trade: Data - Historical Series

    Replacing 50 workers with 2 workers running automated machines to produce more goods does not equate to less manufacturing.
    This is very true!
    And the driving power behind those innovations is *saving money.* The less people you employ, pay, provide benefits for the better off the employer is. . . that's the employer's bottom line.

    The real problem, then, is:
    1) When companies over-exceed their market as far as production goes - leading to a push to sell sell sell, buy buy buy (auto industry comes to mind) to maintain that business flow,
    2) If people (for a variety of reasons) stop buying those excessive products,
    3) Then the companies have to adjust to that drop in purchases by slowing or stopping production and other cutbacks.

    This lull in production - if it happens quickly or is maintained for a while - is the problem.

    Oh, gee, what's that called?
    My my - a recession.
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    Re: Does America Need Tariffs on US Corporations?

    the way to 'save jobs' - if one wishes to make the labor market more attractive here in the States - is to reduce the regulation and costs associated with doing business here, not increase them.

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    Re: Does America Need Tariffs on US Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If a boss is a dick then why do people put up with it?
    There are quite a few means of dealing with such tripe - rules and regulations that help protect the employee. No one is every forced to tolerate someone else's ****. . . they just think they are or feel they're compelled to because something else is at stake.

    I've never had a dick for a boss - I've always gotten along with my managers and employees. . . so I don't draw the conclusion that all bosses are assholes.

    Not saying that boss' aren't assholes and don't get away with it - of course some are and some do. But most don't.
    The point was about workers being slaves to bosses, not how the bosses treat workers. I agree that some bosses can be dicks and some can be sweeties, but they are still bosses with the power to shape lives... They who must be obeyed...

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    Re: Does America Need Tariffs on US Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the way to 'save jobs' - if one wishes to make the labor market more attractive here in the States - is to reduce the regulation and costs associated with doing business here, not increase them.
    I agree that strictly enforced regulations can hurt most business, but knowing that most business can't be trusted to do the right thing, you can't let them completely off the hook. So the only thing the government can do to keep them in line, is to give them the impression they are being watched with unscheduled spot check audits, leave them with the constant fear of being caught.

    Years ago the very mention of "bank examiner" made bank owners quake in their boots.

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    Re: Does America Need Tariffs on US Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the way to 'save jobs' - if one wishes to make the labor market more attractive here in the States - is to reduce the regulation and costs associated with doing business here, not increase them.
    Eh. Not really. There's no way we are going to get Americans to work for $5 a day. Nor could anyone live on that. The better way is to simply accept the economic model of progress and innovate. Cheap labor in America is done. Just as the colonists started taking the shovel market from England, South East Asia has taken cheap manufacturing from us. Accept evolution or die.
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    Re: Does America Need Tariffs on US Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    The point was about workers being slaves to bosses, not how the bosses treat workers. I agree that some bosses can be dicks and some can be sweeties, but they are still bosses with the power to shape lives... They who must be obeyed...

    ricksfolly
    This was your statement:
    What happens away from your job has nothing to with how your boss treats you.
    And that netted my reply.

    Work is voluntary - believe it or not - it's purely up the individual's choices in life (where to work, what vehicle to buy, how to live, what to eat) that determines how much money they need - which in turn pins them into a particular self-inflicted constraint.

    Your boss' attitude has nothing to do with it.

    If you're talking about government, the presidency, taxes - just say so and stop beating around the bush.
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    Re: Does America Need Tariffs on US Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Eh. Not really. There's no way we are going to get Americans to work for $5 a day. Nor could anyone live on that. The better way is to simply accept the economic model of progress and innovate. Cheap labor in America is done. Just as the colonists started taking the shovel market from England, South East Asia has taken cheap manufacturing from us. Accept evolution or die.
    oh the crappy jobs i have no problem with losing; but as you yourself point out; the synergy from labor and machine has made it possible for fewer people to produce more. there is no reason they shouldn't be doing so right here in the US. when everything is computerized, you want workers comfortable with and raised around computers.

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