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A Teacher's Private Life

I would report it to the boss if he/she was....

  • watching porn in his/her private time.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • swearing/being rude in his/her private time.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • smoking pot in his/her private time.

    Votes: 5 9.1%
  • having affairs in his/her private time.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Who cares what teacher do in their private lives?

    Votes: 50 90.9%

  • Total voters
    55
-- The teacher, however, is a role model for her students, and she should be held to a higher standard of conduct than your garbageman.

Why? Will you compensate the teacher for their "higher standard of conduct" by giving them greater respect? Bigger salary? The best healthcare to make sure they are as well as possible to look after the little darlings?

-- So they can look at porn, but shouldn't be posing on bangyourteacher.com.

Why? Do you expect the kids to be surfing bangyourteacher.com while in class?

--Drinking is legal, but if the broad's an alcoholic and she's coming to work hung over or otherwise inappropriately, she should be out on the street the same day.

Lots of people come to work hung over, if it affects their job then fine - take action but if it doesn't, what business is it of anyone else?

-- Teachers should not be allowed to answer their cells while in class. To make sure that happens, they should be fired if they fail to turn their phone in to the office when they come in to work in the morning.

Bet you some teachers wish they could do this to their students, however I wanted to ask what if the teacher was an expectant father? Or had someone in hospital and even though they could take time off, had (I've seen this myself) come in to look after a class because the school couldn't get any cover at short notice?

--There's the occasional article in the news about a mutant teacher that gets a sex change and wants to resume teaching the class it left. No, the children don't need that kind of confusion in their lives. The thing should be transferred to a different class once it's mental illness is treated.

Your disrespect for human life is appalling.
I guess if you were a teacher and one of your students was feeling confused about their sexuality and came to you for advice, you'd show due pastoral care? I somehow doubt it.
 
Only when they are teaching...

In answer to the poll, I would only report a teacher for any crimes or activites that any other ordinary member of society were to be reported for.

Heck, what laws are there that say teachers have to be held to a "higher standard?" There was a time we used to think that of our politicians and policemen but private life is just what the words mean.. "private"

Disagree. Many school teachers don't like to live in the same town they teach in -- because their private lives are held to a higher standard. You can't just draw the line at "illegal," imo. If a teacher doesn't like being held to a higher standard, they should change professions. Teachers, by their very job description, should be examples. And good ones.
 
Only when they are teaching...

In answer to the poll, I would only report a teacher for any crimes or activites that any other ordinary member of society were to be reported for.

Heck, what laws are there that say teachers have to be held to a "higher standard?" There was a time we used to think that of our politicians and policemen but private life is just what the words mean.. "private"

They are not held to a higher standard only when they are teaching. They are expected to consider it in their private life so as to not affect their public image, and this public image is off clock, away from the school.
 
-- Teachers, by their very job description, should be examples. And good ones.

But only for the time they are paid as teachers. I know they are held to some mythical higher standard by some - however they should then be compensated for it - financially or professionally. Oh, and nowhere in any teacher job description I've seen does it say set an example in your private life. It's bad enough they have to take so much work home (unpaid and uncompensated).

They are not held to a higher standard only when they are teaching. They are expected to consider it in their private life so as to not affect their public image, and this public image is off clock, away from the school.

Where in their contracts does it say or ask this though? Do you ever wonder why many good teachers leave the profession?
 
Where in their contracts does it say or ask this though? Do you ever wonder why many good teachers leave the profession?


Nowhere. Want to know why good teachers leave the profession? most of the kids today are spoiled brats who don't give a rat's ass about learning anything. the administrators are so afraid that they might get sued that they give the teachers zero support. And if you dare try to discipline any of the little bastards, the parents raise holy hell.

I taught in public school for 10 years and I finally couldn't stand it any longer. The last year I taught, I had a parent/teacher conference with the mother of a troublemaker who was failing my class. Sitting in the principal's office with the kid, his mother and the principal. The principal asked the mother a question and she started to answer. The kid looked at her and said, "shut the **** up" and she did. I stood up looked at my boss and said, "there's your problem" and walked out.
 
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-- The last year I taught, I had a parent/teacher conference with the mother of a troublemaker who was failing my class. Sitting in the principal's office with the kid, his mother and the principal. The principal asked the mother a question and she started to answer. The kid looked at her and said, "shut the **** up" and she did. I stood up looked at my boss and said, "there's your problem" and walked out.

And I'll bet some would see it all as your fault.
 
I did not respond to the poll because there was not an option I could agree with. There are some things a teacher might do in their private life that should be reported, but these weren't among them.

QED.

If the teacher was using CHILD pornography, I'd report that. If the teacher was abusing a child, I'd report that. If the teacher was selling drugs in my neighborhood, I'd report that. The only criminal activity I'd report would be that which has bearing on their role as a teacher. The rest is none of my business.
 
And I'll bet some would see it all as your fault.


Once had a mother complain because I wasn't teaching her kid to behave. The kid was 17 years old and still in 9th grade. I told her, "Look lady, I can't do in one hour a day what you have failed to do in 17 years" She didn't like that. she complained to the principal. he called me into his office to chew me out. I told him to go **** himself because I had tenure. He said he would make sure I had the worst schedule possible the next year. I told him I already did and he could once again go **** himelf.
 
Once had a mother complain because I wasn't teaching her kid to behave. The kid was 17 years old and still in 9th grade. I told her, "Look lady, I can't do in one hour a day what you have failed to do in 17 years" She didn't like that. she complained to the principal. he called me into his office to chew me out. I told him to go **** himself because I had tenure. He said he would make sure I had the worst schedule possible the next year. I told him I already did and he could once again go **** himelf.

Ha!

The books we could write eh? And I laugh at the exhalted status people think we are supposed to have!
 
What they do in their private time is their private time, thats why it is "private"
 
But only for the time they are paid as teachers. I know they are held to some mythical higher standard by some - however they should then be compensated for it - financially or professionally. Oh, and nowhere in any teacher job description I've seen does it say set an example in your private life. It's bad enough they have to take so much work home (unpaid and uncompensated).

Almost every state has a teacher's contract that includes a morals clause. You can argue against it, but it's there nonetheless. They sign the contract or they don't. It's their choice. Grounds for dismisal after due process include:

•Immoral conduct or indecent behavior
•INCOMPETENCY
•Violations of ethical standards
•Unprofessional conduct
•Misrepresentation or FRAUD
•Willful neglect of duty

This link lists by state reasons for dismissing even a tenured teacher after due process. Teachers' Rights: Encyclopedia of Everyday Law
 
Almost every state has a teacher's contract that includes a morals clause. You can argue against it, but it's there nonetheless. They sign the contract or they don't. It's their choice. Grounds for dismisal after due process include:

•Immoral conduct or indecent behavior
•INCOMPETENCY
•Violations of ethical standards
•Unprofessional conduct
•Misrepresentation or FRAUD
•Willful neglect of duty

This link lists by state reasons for dismissing even a tenured teacher after due process. Teachers' Rights: Encyclopedia of Everyday Law

And we wonder why our education system is ever falling in stature in comparison to the rest of the world! We expect top, professional people to take jobs of low pay all the while holding a microscope over their life and wanting them to be saints as well!
 
Almost every state has a teacher's contract that includes a morals clause. You can argue against it, but it's there nonetheless. They sign the contract or they don't. It's their choice. Grounds for dismisal after due process include:

•INCOMPETENCY
•Violations of ethical standards
•Unprofessional conduct
•Misrepresentation or FRAUD
•Willful neglect of duty

I don't have any problems with firing a teacher for these reasons. however, I think this is probably outdated:


•Immoral conduct or indecent behavior
 
Yeah, my first question was "Immoral according to whom? Whose morals?"


yeah, it's OK to be gay but not smoke a joint? WTF????
 
Almost every state has a teacher's contract that includes a morals clause. You can argue against it, but it's there nonetheless. They sign the contract or they don't. It's their choice. Grounds for dismisal after due process include:

•Immoral conduct or indecent behavior
•INCOMPETENCY
•Violations of ethical standards
•Unprofessional conduct
•Misrepresentation or FRAUD
•Willful neglect of duty

This link lists by state reasons for dismissing even a tenured teacher after due process. Teachers' Rights: Encyclopedia of Everyday Law

Thanks, I have a couple of questions..

  • why did you capitalise incompetence when it's not capitalised in the link?
  • does number 1 condition relate to private life too (i.e. the teacher has gone home and is maybe having a BJ from his wife?)

I ask the second question because I understand oral sex is classified as a form of sodomy in the US and that would probably count as immoral behaviour...
 
Apparently, I'm immoral almost daily. Thank god I'm not a teacher. ^.^
 
Do you ever wonder why many good teachers leave the profession?

For a great many reasons. I receive a saturated list constantly. Lack of discipline, impossible standards, low wages, stress, boredom, and the list can go on. The list can at times be someone who just was not fit for the profession, or there are certainly some issues that could be ironed out with reforms. Are they expected to be "Saints" as I think someone put it? No, but they are held to a higher standard, and I do not think you would have to struggle very hard to consider why thy are. Educators are not merely government workers. At the end of the day, I would hope that teachers have some expectation (not everything, but within reason while preparing to join the profession) of what they are getting into. It's not a job for everyone, and indeed it does require a bit of a "calling". Part of the ethos of the profession is self-worship of the job, which can help teachers as a whole appreciate their own choice.
 
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why did you capitalise incompetence when it's not capitalised in the link?
I didn't. I copied it verbatim. Look under Denial or Revocation of Teaching Certificate.

does number 1 condition relate to private life too (i.e. the teacher has gone home and is maybe having a BJ from his wife?)

If he was getting his BJ on his front porch at high noon and people saw it, I'd certainly hope so. ;-)
 
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I thought a teacher's private life had something to do with building pyramids.
 
If he was getting his BJ on his front porch at high noon and people saw it, I'd certainly hope so. ;-)

What part of that would fall into the category of private? That would fall into the misdemeanor category of public lewdness. :roll: I get the sense from your posts that you don't understand the difference between a person's private life and his/her public activities.
 
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