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Ban on furs

Would you support such legislation in your own country?

  • Yes, I would support such legislation in my own country

    Votes: 9 19.6%

  • No, I would oppose such legislation in my own country

    Votes: 30 65.2%

  • Other - I will explain my position in a post

    Votes: 7 15.2%
  • Total voters
    46
Barbbtx said:
Real animal rights people like PETA ( not to be confused with animal welfare advocates) would like to ban all fur, leather, meat,hunting, fishing, animals in entertainment, medical research, working animals, guide and rescue dogs, show dogs, zoos and believe it or not, they would like to ban pets some day. Nuts like Ingrid Newkirk (PETA founder) would just love to see fur banned. It would be one step closer to their true goals of only viewing animals from a distance and in their natural environment.
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Yes I do believe much of what you said.
 
TurtleDude said:
you obviously are ignorant of the politics of the animal rights movement in europe. and I never mentioned communist

I was an olympic class shooter at one time. One of the events in the olympics involved the use of a small bore rifle (22) shooting at a running boar target. While my discipline was in another event, I was approached by the NRA (which was the NGB then) to shoot this event due to certain talents I had. Fortunately I did not because the event was dropped from the games--in europe, venues for that event were vandalized by animal rights whackos who were mad about a sport where athletes shot at PICTURES of a boar.

My father used to travel to England for "shooting" partridge. He was on one estate which was owned by a Lord who happened to be a high ranking officer of the SAS. During one of the shoots, the "antis" as they are called trespassed and attempted to attack the shooters (a smart move to attack people who are packing shotguns) and the game keeper etc. Sadly for them, a regiment of the SAS were on the grounds training as well. My late father said it was amusing to watch these special forces soldiers practice hand to hand techniques on the radical antis.

When the wall came down, lots of information about the KGB was obtained. Guess what movement was being funded by the KGB?
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What does this have to do with government acquisition of the means of production under the guise on environmentalism?
 
Barbbtx said:
Real animal rights people like PETA ( not to be confused with animal welfare advocates) would like to ban all fur, leather, meat,hunting, fishing, animals in entertainment, medical research, working animals, guide and rescue dogs, show dogs, zoos and believe it or not, they would like to ban pets some day. Nuts like Ingrid Newkirk (PETA founder) would just love to see fur banned. It would be one step closer to their true goals of only viewing animals from a distance and in their natural environment.
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since I oppose their end goals I will not support their intermediate steps. Its akin to people asking me why I won't support gun registration or waiting periods: those who want bans push for those intermediate steps.
 
SE102 said:
What does this have to do with government acquisition of the means of production under the guise on environmentalism?
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I guess you are taking a narrow view to avoid my point. Government control over private property is a unifying theme of leftwing diseases
 
Barbbtx said:
Leather comes from food animals. They are not killed for there skin. If they were I wouldn't buy leather.
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horse hide?

what is the difference between raising minks for fur vs pigs for bacon? the animal rights whackos as well as some of the less extreme vegetarians say there is no NEED to eat Bacon or meat at all

I tire of people wanting to restrict others rights based on the restrictors' concept of what others need.
 
TurtleDude said:
not at all--the people who push this nonsense also want to ban hunting and fishing and ultimately meat eating. The HSI is a far left group that supports all such bans I mentioned above
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I was with you until you did that 'it's the left's fault again.

I'm lean left a little and agree with you, but you blew it.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I was with you until you did that 'it's the left's fault again.

I'm lean left a little and agree with you, but you blew it.
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Broken my heart is

Yoda
 
What a way to kill jobs. A mink ain't worth nothing if it can't be skinned. Kill the mink industry, put thousands out of work.

It's one thing to regulate the sale of product from endangered species, quite another to arbitrarily target an industry just because some people have their heads up their asses and want to control the lives of others. Those people should be told, in no uncertain terms, that if they want to end the fur trade all they have to do is buy the farms raising the fur animals, the companies treating the furs, and the companies sewing the furs into clothing. That's all they have to do.

What? You mean if they did that all that woudl happed is that someone else would start up a new fur company?

What a shame.

I guess the busy-body do gooders should just learn to Mind Their Own Business.
 
TurtleDude said:
Deny this you do?
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That's pretty funny when you say that to a guy that put food on table and paid his bills via a business that relied on furs.

Hey dude I've been a taxidermist for 25 years now! :lamo:lamo:lamo

As usual you don't have a clue to what you're talking about blaming everything on the left. You'd be surprised how many democrats trap and hunt and are taxidermists like myself!

BTW folks those cute little mink are the closest thing there is to a vampire. They suck the fluids right out of their prey. And furthermore the farms are much crueler than trapping a wild animal and quickly dispatching it. At least the wild animal has some dignity before it's killed.
 
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TurtleDude said:
horse hide?

what is the difference between raising minks for fur vs pigs for bacon? the animal rights whackos as well as some of the less extreme vegetarians say there is no NEED to eat Bacon or meat at all

I tire of people wanting to restrict others rights based on the restrictors' concept of what others need.
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I'm not for banning mink or mink farms. A man has a right to make a living and people have a right to purchase a fur coat. As long as there is a market for it, it should continue. I just find it distateful.
I thought most leather came from cattle. I also don't think horses are raised for their hide, are they? I believe in making use of all parts of animals that are killed for whatever reason. The horses go for dogfood or human consumption,and glue don't they? So of course, by all means use the hide.
I was a vegetarian for a while when I was young. I found I didn't like vegetarians/vegans much. Most in my opinion are mentally unstable. It's almost like a cult and I think they'd be much happier and healthier if they'd eat a steak once in a while. I eat tons of meat now. I refuse to eat veal because of how it is raised, however i wouldn't want it banned. Let the free market work.
 
hazlnut said:
I say people can wear what they want but we should tax the hell out of luxury items.
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The following items are luxury items:

Meat.
Spices.
Fresh green vegetables outside of the local growing season.
Indoor plumbing.
Private bathrooms.
Motorized transport of any form.
More than one shirt, pair of pants, overcoat.
Shoes are luxurious.
So is underwear.
Furniture.
Forks.
Sporting events.
Televisions are, telescreens are not.
Newspapers.
Internet.
Radio.
Medical supplies, medical care.


What do you want taxed again?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I don't know enough about which 'furs' would be banned. . . I have to learn more in that area.

But in general I'm like this:

I'm against Killing an animal *just* for it's fur or skin.
If any animal is to be killed it should be primarily for food / safety - and then selling of that fur/skin so that no part of the animal goes to waste.
Fur shouldn't really be glamorized - it actually serves a very practical function. I don't get the 'fashion' behind it.
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There's not enough minks to go around. Which means, by simple market economics, minks cost more. Some people can't afford it, and that's too bad for them, but it does mean the rich and snooty get to glam around in dead animals. Poor people wear sheep hair.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
That's pretty funny when you say that to a guy that put food on table and paid his bills via a business that relied on furs.

Hey dude I've been a taxidermist for 25 years now! :lamo:lamo:lamo

As usual you don't have a clue to what you're talking about blaming everything on the left. You'd be surprised how many democrats trap and hunt and are taxidermists like myself!

BTW folks those cute little mink are the closest thing there is to a vampire. They suck the fluids right out of their prey. And furthermore the farms are much crueler than trapping a wild animal and quickly dispatching it. At least the wild animal has some dignity before it's killed.
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and you have no clue what I know or that I may have worked in a hunting and fishing store for years and that a member of my family ran an archery shop etc. Dignity is a term that doesn't apply to animals. I know trappers, I have trappers as friends and I have hunted all my life. Human concepts of dignity would note that catching someone by the leg and then clubbing him over the head after he was free for years is more dignified than raising someone in a pen and then electrocuting him with a probe inserted in his rectum and that would be true. But electrocuting mink is more humane than an animal sitting in a #2 jump spring trap for 8 hours even if less "dignified"

and sure lots of hunters vote dem-often union types who think that getting more money from dem policies is worth the price of voting for the party that is home to almost all the anti hunting and anti gun types.

But the fact remains, if somone wants to raise mink for fur and others want to buy it, I value the freedom of those HUMANS above the emotobabble of the animal rights whackos
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
The following items are luxury items:

Meat.
Spices.
Fresh green vegetables outside of the local growing season.
Indoor plumbing.
Private bathrooms.
Motorized transport of any form.
More than one shirt, pair of pants, overcoat.
Shoes are luxurious.
So is underwear.
Furniture.
Forks.
Sporting events.
Televisions are, telescreens are not.
Newspapers.
Internet.
Radio.
Medical supplies, medical care.


What do you want taxed again?
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posting leftwing blather on a computer is certainly a luxury. Most people in the world don't have computers or internet access and many don't even have electricity
 
Barbbtx said:
I'm not for banning mink or mink farms. A man has a right to make a living and people have a right to purchase a fur coat. As long as there is a market for it, it should continue. I just find it distateful.
I thought most leather came from cattle. I also don't think horses are raised for their hide, are they? I believe in making use of all parts of animals that are killed for whatever reason. The horses go for dogfood or human consumption,and glue don't they? So of course, by all means use the hide.
I was a vegetarian for a while when I was young. I found I didn't like vegetarians/vegans much. Most in my opinion are mentally unstable. It's almost like a cult and I think they'd be much happier and healthier if they'd eat a steak once in a while. I eat tons of meat now. I refuse to eat veal because of how it is raised, however i wouldn't want it banned. Let the free market work.
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agreed. I don't know if minks are used for food but I recall doing a dissection of a mink in HS AP biology

and yeah, it was as naked as a newborn
 
TurtleDude said:
posting leftwing blather on a computer is certainly a luxury. Most people in the world don't have computers or internet access and many don't even have electricity
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You need to pause to think more.

Exactly, many people do not have the items listed, but others want to define what they don't have as a luxury to be taxed.

When the first liberal Bush was elected president, he was stupid enough to go along with the Left's moronic tax increases on "luxuries". So the lower and middle class men who built the boats and airplanes the "rich" purchased lost their jobs.

Luxury taxes are proposed by morons who can only follow the class-envy directions of their (wealthy) leaders.
 
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Shayah said:
Would you support anti-fur legislation in your own country?
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Not sure, I'm in Minnesota and it feels like we can't get warm enough. Sometimes, fur just seems logical.
 
Barbbtx said:
Leather comes from food animals. They are not killed for there skin. If they were I wouldn't buy leather.
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Who cares? It's still using an animal for it's skin, even if you're getting something else out of it. Would you change your mind if, for instance, we started making mink steaks?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Synthetics are made from petrochemicals....

Maybe we should all run around naked?
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People would pay me to keep my clothes on.

.......... hey now. I think I'm on to something.
 
Shayah said:
Considering the technical advances that have been made, I just no longer see a viable reason to cultivate and slaughter certain animals exclusively for their fur.
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Viable Reason #1: People want to buy it.

No other reason is needed.
 
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