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    Should Israel continue it's freeze on settlement expansion in the West Bank?

    Should Israel temporarily continue it's freeze on settlement expansion in the West Bank?

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    Ahead of talks, Abbas warns Israel on settlements | Reuters

    Abbas puts onus for talks on Israel - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

    The Palestinian president has warned that Israel would be to blame if resumed direct talks with Israel failed over the Jewish settlements issue.

    Mahmoud Abbas said in a televised speech on Sunday that "the Israeli government alone will bear the responsibility of threatening these negotiations with collapse and failure if it continues settlement expansion in all its forms in all the Palestinian lands it has occupied since 1967".

    "We support the need of Israel and our people for security, but this cannot be a pretext to justify settlement activities and taking away other people's land and rights."
    Meanwhile, Silvan Shalom, Israel’s vice prime minister, told Reuters news agency that he viewed Palestinians' calls for a further freeze before the talks began as "unacceptable" and voiced concern the demand could trigger a crisis in Israel's pro-settler government and lead to an early national election.

    "[Netanyahu] told us today there will be no decision on September 2 about freezing settlements."

    Avigdor Lieberman, the Israeli foreign minister, earlier this week voiced confidence the Israeli cabinet would not extend the freeze.

    The United States opposes settlement expansion but has stopped demanding Israel to extend the moratorium.

    Instead, it has urged both Israel and the Palestinians not to take measures that could jeopardise the negotiations and said the settlement issue would be raised in next week's talks.

    Israel's policy of building settlements on occupied Palestinian land is the most contentious issue in negotiations, the first since they were broken off 20 months ago when Israel launched its deadly offensive on the Gaza Strip.
    I believe they should temporarily extend the freeze. The borders between Israel and the West Bank are still disputed, and by building or expanding the settlements Israel is pretty much claiming the land for themselves without due-process.

    At the same time the Palestinian government needs to get to business. It's been 43 years and little has been achieved in ending this. I'm getting sick of the squabbling.

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    Re: Should Israel continue it's freeze on settlement expansion in the West Bank?

    Yes, because it will hamper peace talks.

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    Re: Should Israel continue it's freeze on settlement expansion in the West Bank?

    I voted yes. However I don't think they should be a permanent freeze.
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    Re: Should Israel continue it's freeze on settlement expansion in the West Bank?

    Yes they should, and it should be permanent. What purpose do Israeli settlements serve, other than to inflame tensions with the Palestinians? They don't benefit the State of Israel in any way whatsoever, and are far more of a nuisance than they are worth. Israeli politicians who allow it are simply pandering for votes, not taking any kind of principled stand.
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    Re: Should Israel continue it's freeze on settlement expansion in the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes they should, and it should be permanent. What purpose do Israeli settlements serve, other than to inflame tensions with the Palestinians? They don't benefit the State of Israel in any way whatsoever, and are far more of a nuisance than they are worth. Israeli politicians who allow it are simply pandering for votes, not taking any kind of principled stand.
    I believe one of the reasons they are expanding and building new settlements is to create a "buffer zone" between the heart of Israel and the eventual Arab Palestinian state. I think it is a good idea, given the tensions both current and in the past between Israel and the surrounding areas. But Israel should not be the only one to determine where these lines should lay. They have no right to expand into the West Bank when the borders are still being disputed. It is my hope that both sides will be reasonable if/when peace talks continue.
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    Re: Should Israel continue it's freeze on settlement expansion in the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I believe one of the reasons they are expanding and building new settlements is to create a "buffer zone" between the heart of Israel and the eventual Arab Palestinian state. I think it is a good idea, given the tensions both current and in the past between Israel and the surrounding areas. But Israel should not be the only one to determine where these lines should lay. They have no right to expand into the West Bank when the borders are still being disputed. It is my hope that both sides will be reasonable if/when peace talks continue.
    IMO if Israel wants to create a buffer zone with the Palestinians, it should do it on the Israeli side of the border. When the United States erected its border fence with Mexico (which I do not support), it didn't do it in Mexican territory. It did it several hundred feet on the American side of the border.

    In any case, I'm not sure how a few settlements would really serve as a buffer zone. There are already lots of security checkpoints along the border. And a buffer implies that the Palestinians would need to cross them to get to Israel proper. This isn't the case; they could simply go around them.
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    Re: Should Israel continue it's freeze on settlement expansion in the West Bank?

    I voted yes, for the same reason you did. Concessions need to be made by both parties. I believe Israel should remove its settlers out of the West Bank, and let go of their chokehold on Gaza. Gaza and the West Bank should be a state for the advancement of a Palestinian nation. However, I also believe Palestine needs to find another capital. I've never heard of two nations peacefully sharing a capital, and I'm actually pessimistic that that sort of arrangement will sustain itself.

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    Re: Should Israel continue it's freeze on settlement expansion in the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    IMO if Israel wants to create a buffer zone with the Palestinians, it should do it on the Israeli side of the border. When the United States erected its border fence with Mexico (which I do not support), it didn't do it in Mexican territory. It did it several hundred feet on the American side of the border.

    In any case, I'm not sure how a few settlements would really serve as a buffer zone. There are already lots of security checkpoints along the border. And a buffer implies that the Palestinians would need to cross them to get to Israel proper. This isn't the case; they could simply go around them.
    I'm more referring to a possible future war, which Israel is preparing for. There have already been many wars since the founding of Israel as a separate state... it is not far fetched to think another war could occur, even after borders are decided.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    I voted yes, for the same reason you did. Concessions need to be made by both parties. I believe Israel should remove its settlers out of the West Bank, and let go of their chokehold on Gaza. Gaza and the West Bank should be a state for the advancement of a Palestinian nation. However, I also believe Palestine needs to find another capital. I've never heard of two nations peacefully sharing a capital, and I'm actually pessimistic that that sort of arrangement will sustain itself.
    I also hope that the Palestinian government would be willing to give up Jerusalem... though I highly doubt that would happen. Even if they did, the people would not accept that kind of resolution.
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    Re: Should Israel continue it's freeze on settlement expansion in the West Bank?

    Jerusalem is sacred to both sides.

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    Re: Should Israel continue it's freeze on settlement expansion in the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Jerusalem is sacred to both sides.
    I understand, yet it's hard to take either side. I ultimately sympathize with it being a Jewish capital because it is the single most important city in Hebrew history. It is the third most important city in Islamic culture.

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