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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Even if there were no such thing as natural rights, the very fact that a government presupposes that there are is the greatest benefit to its citizenry.
    It also makes it a lot easier to write a bill of rights if you don't have to write down every single right a person has.

    I don't know why this is so difficult for some people.

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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Whose civil rights? The civil rights of a Protestant, heterosexual, white male from the upper middle class? Or the civil rights of an Islamic, gay, black female who was born into poverty?
    There are no homosexual Muslims. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says so.

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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    There are no homosexual Muslims. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says so.
    I'm aware. It's an easy thing to claim when you hang them. A lot of Christians leaders also say there are no homosexual Christians. Funny how some people get to decide who does and does not belong to their religion.

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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Have it your way then, kid.
    So in other words, you have no actual arguments to make, so you'll just try to marginalize mine by accusing me of being young and not 'getting it?'. Weak.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    it is a waste of time to attempt to converse any further with you on the subject.
    I couldn't agree with you more.
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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Gov. Schwartzenegger is a staunch supporter of SSM. Is your statement a fact or opinion? I'm a Republican. I support those things. Misconception...or reality. I don't know.
    No doubt there are some very progressive Republicans but the poll question was about the two parties and not the individuals and when one examines the records of the two parties since 1976 when the Republican party turned its back on the Equal Rights Amendment one can only conclude the Democratic party has the better record on civil rights.
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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    So in other words, you have no actual arguments to make, so you'll just try to marginalize mine by accusing me of being young and not 'getting it?'. Weak.



    I couldn't agree with you more.
    you get schooled and you start posting even lamer stuff. The bill of rights was written by people who operated under certain assumptions. TO claim that what THEY WROTE is detached from those assumptions is assinine



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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    No doubt there are some very progressive Republicans but the poll question was about the two parties and not the individuals and when one examines the records of the two parties since 1976 when the Republican party turned its back on the Equal Rights Amendment one can only conclude the Democratic party has the better record on civil rights.
    I am shocked, shocked, that you would come to this conclusion.

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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you get schooled and you start posting even lamer stuff. The bill of rights was written by people who operated under certain assumptions. TO claim that what THEY WROTE is detached from those assumptions is assinine
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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    I say ‘neither’ party is the best at supporting civil rights. Both parties have created the illusion that they opposing factions when they are the same beast trying to control us all and funnel our money into their pockets.
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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you get schooled and you start posting even lamer stuff.
    Okay turtle, you want to delude yourself, go right ahead.

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    The bill of rights was written by people who operated under certain assumptions.
    Then they were mistaken assumptions. Either that or they didn't actually believe in the concept of natural rights either, but it just sounded good on paper.

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    TO claim that what THEY WROTE is detached from those assumptions is assinine
    Now you aren't even making any sense. I'm claiming that their opinions on what they wrote are/were irrelevant in terms of the reality of the situation. No matter what they think the constitution does, it doesn't change the fact that without it recognizing certain rights, we wouldn't have those rights (at least not in a federal sense).

    I'm fully aware that the constitution has an amendment that says the rights spelled out in it aren't the only rights we have, and that's actually a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Those 'other rights' aren't defined, so they're difficult to protect, and it's much easier to argue against them, since they're not specifically laid out. That's why when a right is REALLY important (i.e. women's right to vote, no discrimination on the basis of race), we amend the constitution to make sure it's recognized. If what you were saying was true, that would be completely unnecessary, since we already have those rights, and the constitution already recognizes them.
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