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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I cannot help it if you are unlearned in the assumptions underlying the constitution and the bill of rights
    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    You have rights by virtue of being human. The Bill of Rights simply prevents the government from abridging those rights. It does not grant those rights, nor is it meant to be an exhaustive list of them.
    Both of you appear to be operating under the mistaken assumption that rights are something intrinsic. Rights are meaningless unless recognized by other entities (governments, people, etc.) In recognizing certain rights, the constitution grants us those rights, since unless they are recognized they do not exist. You may prefer another term for it, but that's the reality of the situation, and anything else is simply semantics.
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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Both of you appear to be operating under the mistaken assumption that rights are something intrinsic. Rights are meaningless unless recognized by other entities (governments, people, etc.) In recognizing certain rights, the constitution grants us those rights, since unless they are recognized they do not exist. You may prefer another term for it, but that's the reality of the situation, and anything else is simply semantics.
    take up your concerns with Madison, Jefferson, Locke Mason et al. I am sure they will appreciate your insight on the subject



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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Both of you appear to be operating under the mistaken assumption that rights are something intrinsic. Rights are meaningless unless recognized by other entities (governments, people, etc.) In recognizing certain rights, the constitution grants us those rights, since unless they are recognized they do not exist. You may prefer another term for it, but that's the reality of the situation, and anything else is simply semantics.
    Um, no, the Constitution is predicated on the existence of natural rights. You may have some high-minded intellectual objection to it, or you may get all hard over positive rights for some self-serving reason or other, but that's just the way it is.

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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    take up your concerns with Madison, Jefferson, Locke Mason et al. I am sure they will appreciate your insight on the subject
    You may have to explain to him who those people are. It's pretty apparent he's never heard of them.

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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    take up your concerns with Madison, Jefferson, Locke Mason et al. I am sure they will appreciate your insight on the subject
    Their opinions aren't relevant to the situation. Mostly because the situation was no different when they wrote the constitution. Partially because they're dead.
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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Um, no, the Constitution is predicated on the existence of natural rights.
    Nope, that's nothing but flowery language. There are no such things as natural rights. Maybe it makes you feel better about the world to think that there are, but you're only lying to yourself.
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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    You may have to explain to him who those people are. It's pretty apparent he's never heard of them.
    I'm quite aware of who they are. It's irrelevant, since that's nothing but an appeal to authority anyway.
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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Their opinions aren't relevant to the situation. Mostly because the situation was no different when they wrote the constitution. Partially because they're dead.
    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Nope, that's nothing but flowery language. There are no such things as natural rights. Maybe it makes you feel better about the world to think that there are, but you're only lying to yourself.
    Have it your way then, kid. If you won't even recognize the basic foundation of rights upon which the Constitution rests, and if you can't even read the Ninth Amendment and understand what it says, it is a waste of time to attempt to converse any further with you on the subject.


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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Even if there were no such thing as natural rights, the very fact that a government presupposes that there are is the greatest benefit to its citizenry.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Which party best supports civil rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe
    Which party best supports civil rights?
    Whose civil rights? The civil rights of a Protestant, heterosexual, white male from the upper middle class? Or the civil rights of an Islamic, gay, black female who was born into poverty?

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