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  • Fascist

    35 43.21%
  • Socialist

    41 50.62%
  • Communist

    38 46.91%
  • Feminists

    15 18.52%
  • Pro-Labor

    29 35.80%
  • Reformist

    30 37.04%
  • Pro-Civil Liberties

    26 32.10%
  • Middle Class

    14 17.28%
  • Pro-Eugenics

    5 6.17%
  • Liberal

    35 43.21%
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    Re: Which of the following describe Progressives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You forgot to include "hate America."
    No she didn't. It is included in the liberal option obviously.

    As for the poll options. I picked Reformist, pro-civil liberties, and they tend to be more liberal so I picked that as well.
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    Re: Which of the following describe Progressives?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I chose those three, plus feminist, reformist, socialist.
    The only one I'm not too sure about it socialist.
    I'm not sure my understanding of what socialist means is sound.
    It’s a pretty gray area at times. When the dough is going to giant banks, by some, it’s called essential to save the nation from a depression. When it’s called a extension of unemployment benefits it’s called, by the same some, socialism.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Which of the following describe Progressives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You forgot to include "hate America."
    That's funny to be sure, however I think there is a strong case to be made, that liberals, progressives love all decent American regardless of their political strip - consevatives not so much. Case in point conservatives are more apt, in my opinion, to call liberals, progressives anti-American than the other way around.


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    Re: Which of the following describe Progressives?

    where were the real choices

    anti american

    pillowheaded idealists

    children who have yet to grow up



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    Re: Which of the following describe Progressives?

    I see it as just another word for liberal.
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    Re: Which of the following describe Progressives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Taken from Here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058949074

    Which of the following are accurate descriptions of Progressives? You may pick more than one.
    progressives today or the original progressive movement? it makes sort of a difference when discussing eugenics (though perhaps not as much, given the 'well we don't want too many of the wrong sort of people being born' argument in favor of abortion).

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    Re: Which of the following describe Progressives?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That's funny to be sure, however I think there is a strong case to be made, that liberals, progressives love all decent American regardless of their political strip - consevatives not so much. Case in point conservatives are more apt, in my opinion, to call liberals, progressives anti-American than the other way around.
    yes. the circus midget union is also more likely to refer to NBA players as "tall" than the other way around. there are good reasons why the left is associated with anti-americanism.

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    Re: Which of the following describe Progressives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    At it's root it had a very strong pro labor and civil rights aspect, but you are correct that the one absolute commonality was being reformist, which is how they got the name.
    they didn't 'get' the name, they picked the name. then their policies were so abusive and problematic that the name became a negative connotation, and so they switched to calling themselves 'liberal'. now their policies have given that name a negative connotation, and so they are trying to shift back to 'progressive', in the hopes that it's been a couple of generations and people have forgotten.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I picked a bunch of them.
    Not too sure about "socialist", but I voted for it because most of the socialist-leaning individuals I know refer to themselves as progressives.
    well, properly speaking the economic program that they are pushing is Corporatism; which is a kind of subset of Socialism; sort of a 'a-square-is-a-square-but-it-is-also-a-rectangle' sort of thing. lots of folks now like to insist that Socialism can only be it's subset known as 'Communism', and ergo anything less than complete government ownership of the means of productions isn't 'Socialism'; but that's a semantic gyration intended (again) to avoid having a correct term with negative connotations apply to their actions.

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    Re: Which of the following describe Progressives?

    but let's run through the list:

    Fascist: inasmuch as Fascism pushed a Corporatist economic program, yes. inasmuch as Fascism depended upon a nationalistic model, no; though one could make a partial argument via their tendency to support trade barriers

    Socialist: see above response to 1069

    Communist: with the exception of their approach to a few industries, and a few more extreme individuals, no. certainly they are willing to make common cause with Communists

    Feminists: yup. the progressive movemet in general is all about 1) interest groups and 2) pushing a narrative that involves that interest group as a victim, America as a victimizer, and themselves in the role of savior/protector

    Pro-Labor: yup. this is one of the aspects where they bleed from corporatism into differing forms of socialism, but also feeds in to the interest group bit directly above.

    Reformist

    i suppose that depends on your definition of 'reform'. conservative activists would consider themselves reformists as well, after all.

    Pro-Civil Liberties

    not necessarily, no. whether it's Nancy Pelosi suggesting that the government investigate opponents of the 9/11 'victory mosque', or Wilson having it declared illegal to disagree publicy with his foriegn policy and organizing armed thugs to beat those who disagreed with his domestic policy, the Progressives assumption of the superiority of nationalized unified purpose has often led them to consider limiting the civil liberties of others as a necessary step in the road to the future.

    Middle Class

    some of them, but they are concentrated in our political class

    Pro-Eugenics

    again this comes to how one defines the term. for example, the older progressives were certainly in favor of eugenics as a means of reducing the numbers of unfit races and mental standards (two standards which they considered to have considerable overlap) - that's why they brought in forced-sterilization laws and siezed 50,000+ Americans to perform surgery on them against their will. the progressive Supreme Court even backed it. however, with the discovery of the use that all that research had been put to by ze germans, eugenics as an open program suddenly became politically untenable. the language had to change. planned parenthood, originally founded to help protect the white race from 'hordes of blacks and asian mongrels', shifted to abortion (which would have perhaps surprised it's founder, maggie sanger, who was pro-life at least, though a horrendous racist), which was seen by some as having the same effects without all the (now unwanted) political fire of being connected to eugenics. that's why (for example) al sharpton referred to abortion as 'stealth genocide' before he decided he wanted power within the Democratic party. the remaining logic (if not the overt racial overtones) are seen today in the claims that abortion has lowered crime; you know, the only population that we're losing is the 'undesireable' part, coming from 'that sort of people' most likely to engage in criminal enterprise, etc.etc.

    Liberal

    in the classic sense of what Liberalism actually meant; no. they stole the term because 'Progressive' was becoming too hot to handle and they needed something with positive connotation. John Dewey (who led this charge) in particular was very open about this. in the modern sense of how we use the word, yes.
    Last edited by cpwill; 08-29-10 at 09:57 AM.

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    Re: Which of the following describe Progressives?

    "Progressives" have a history of socialism and pro-eugenics. I think in their own mind they're for civil liberties, but they don't take into account unborn children. They're for keeping their voter base with them, so they'll hand out money left and right even though it will leave an astounding debt for our children. They're more about "I will give this to you" (not personally, by forced charity through laws) more than "I will teach you so you can help yourself". They enjoy having power over people instead of people empowering themselves.


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