Last edited by Ikari; 08-27-10 at 10:58 AM.
You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo
Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
And again you missed the point, but I am guessing that was deliberate. I never claimed Islam was perfect, but I did claim that while Christian Europe was in its Dark Ages, the Islamic world had its golden age where all major religions were welcome and treated with respect and often treated as equals. Did that last? Of course not, and I never claimed it did. When Christianity started its reformation, the Islamic world was in total free fall from internal conflicts and of course from attacks by radical Christians during the crusades.But you seem to be glossing over the very real blood shed and oppression between Islamic tribes down through the centuries across the region.
There were plenty of occasions where violence was sparked between rival caliphates. Plenty of occassion where tribes within Islam were suppressed for the greater good of Arab empire. Of course, then there were the "purification jihads" on the Arabian peninsula where religious structures were destroyed and non-adherents to Sunni Islam were slaughtered. And are you aware that Islamic extremists for a century have murdered far more of their own Muslims than Westerners? By all means, enjoy criticizing Christianity, but don't do it while glorifying an ignorant perception of Islam.
Yes, but it is better than being forced to convert like in the Christian world.Living in "peace" in the Islamic world meant certain taxes for being non-Islamic.
Not really, depends on the time frame we are talking about. During the golden age.. no, after.. yes. Then again, when the oh so tolerant Christians took over former Muslim areas of Europe, these oh so tolerant Christians did what to the mosques.. oh yea, tor them down or defaced them by planting a church in the middle.. ahh the tolerance.... ever heard of the Great Mosque of Cordoba?It also meant certain restrictions on religious freedom and structures.
Again, so what? It is still better than being forced converted or driven out of your home or killed because you have the wrong religion... where did that happen.. oh yea in Christian Europe. Just ask the Jews..In other words, as long as they behaved and followed the rules, they were "tolerated."
And this has to do with Islam anno 900 AD in what way? Do you know that as Christian you cant name your child how you want according to the Church right? My parents preacher denied my name until they proved that it was a family name going back 500 years.. go figure with all that tolerance. After all the preacher could not deny a name that was approved 500 years ago by one of his fellow holy men could he now..Did you know that in Saudi Arabia today, the Shia are denied the right to name their children certain names that might offend the Sunni tribe?
So what. Saudi Arabia is hardly the whole of Islam. 1.2+ billion Muslims and Saudi Arabia has at best about 30 million or so..And that they are denied certain religious freedoms?
And again, how is that different than anywhere else? Gays in America are held to different laws (some) than non gays.. how is that in any way different?And that they are held to different laws than the Sunni?
Yea, and again so what. US evangelicals are using their power to dictate homosexuality laws in Uganda... only international outrage prevented (so far) that the Evangelicals got their way and made homosexuality punishable by death. Catholic Church still allows witch burnings in Nigeria and so on and so on. Or the US funding abstinence programs over condom programs to stem AIDS in Africa..same thing.And that the House of Saud is famous for funding thousands of schools throughout the world and the fundamental base of these schools is to legitimize the Sunni school of thought?
Again, that is Islam of today, not Islam of 1000+ years ago.Some would call such things oppression or age old colonialism within the Islamic world. I guess others call it "peace."
If you want to make a countrepoint on the effectiveness of socialism, MAKE A COUNTREPOINT. In the post you quoted, there are two entire paragraphs devoted to proving how socialism is the most viable and healthy socioeconomic model on the planet, and yet you didn't make a single argument against that.
This site is called Debate Politics, no? Howbout you try debating politics, for a change?
it appeals to non producers =both rich and poor.
as Dame Thatcher correctly noted
its a great idea until you run out of other peoples' money
why would anyone work hard when most of what they make is going to go to non producers
Where did Sweden's great tennis players live when Sweden was in a tax grabbing orgasm? Monte Carlo
and Greece has proven what a spectacular failure socialism is
the bottom line, socialism or other forms of lowest common denominator nonsense punish success and reward sloth
Hm....how about groups? The KKK, al Qaeda....
Tamerlane is believed to have killed over 10 million people in his time. Including the majority of a cities population ( scholars, and tradesmen excepted)
Ghengis Khan did pretty much the same, but I dont know about the numbers he killed in comparison.
Niether were genocidal though. Mass murderers yes, genocidal no. Niether cared about wiping out any specific ethinic groups, just about inspiring fear in enemies to cause them to surrender without putting up a fight
Conservatives believe the government is incompetent, and seek to elect people who will prove it
Ignorance is Bliss Bliss is the same as happiness US Christian conservatives are the happiest in the US according to studies Do you see a connection?
I love the smell of face-palm in the morning!
"You ain't no Muslim bruv!"