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  • Adolf Hitler

    16 18.39%
  • Andrew Jackson

    0 0%
  • Hernan Cortes

    1 1.15%
  • Josef Stalin

    33 37.93%
  • Mao Zedong

    24 27.59%
  • Genghis Khan

    8 9.20%
  • Nero

    2 2.30%
  • Emperor Hirohito

    0 0%
  • Tamerlane

    3 3.45%
  • Maximilien Robespierre

    0 0%
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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Hey all, decided to step in and correct a few misconceptions...

    Firstly, there's this annoying piece of propaganda that is somehow still circulating and thriving in America -- Stalin, while an absolutely horrible, murdering bastard, and a stain upon the name of the USSR, did not murder "20 million people+". The number just grows and grows, and it's ridiculous to watch it -- at first the Americans said he murdered five million people, and then ten. Then fifteen, then, no surprise, twenty. Soon enough it was forty, and I've even heard people claiming Stalin somehow murdered hundreds of millions of people, leaving me to wonder how exactly the people that believe that account for the fact that there are still Russians alive today.

    Anyway, all I'm saying is, Stalin DID commit genocide, and it would be wrong to play down that fact. But it would be equally wrong to grossly inflate the numbers for the sake of propaganda -- Stalin's Purges and the Holodomor could simply not have accounted for more than seven million deaths in total, and numbers in great excess of that are rank McCarthyist propaganda.

    On that note, to the man who said Karl Marx ought to be on the list -- that's a daft idea. Americans have another annoying tendency to see the word "communist" and equate it with "baby-murdering child-raping demon-spawn", which is, needless to say, no more true than equating all capitalists with "non-white-baby-murdering child-raping demon-spawn" -- so do try to keep political biases to an intelligible level, thanks.
    Nothing stops the fact that in order to implement communism, you seem to have to kill off a good hunk of your population. Commies suck and communist regimes rank amongst the most evil and murderous of them all. Stalin can burn in hell...if hell existed. 20 million seems to be the accepted number, but if you have proof of other numbers; then by all means.
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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Are you a child?
    Not that there is anything wrong/right with that..
    Are you an idiot?
    Not that there is anything wrong/right with that...
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    The Christian reformation. Something the Islamic world has failed to do, which is why it is in the state it is in. Imagine Christianity today without a protestant movement. But slaughter on the European continent was more a European thing than a Christian thing. Or did Europeans need Christianity to create two world wars? In the end, violence on the European continent was about tribe. You all have proven to merely be the Middle East Lite.
    Ahh your usual crap. First off European history is longer than 100 years.. I know as an American that can be mindblowing that a nation has a history longer than 250 years, but that is a fact. Secondly, when the two world wars came about, religion had been thrown to the side and it was as you said "tribes" as in nations fighting each other. However, long before those wars, there was over 1000 years (yea mind blowing I know!) of history where wars were fought based on tribe/country and more than often with a religious aspect. And in almost every war, both sides used "God" as a motivation factor and often reasoning to smite their enemies. Add to that many civil wars between Christian sects... the English civil war and so on.

    But you seem to be glossing over the very real blood shed and oppression between Islamic tribes down through the centuries across the region.
    There were plenty of occasions where violence was sparked between rival caliphates. Plenty of occassion where tribes within Islam were suppressed for the greater good of Arab empire. Of course, then there were the "purification jihads" on the Arabian peninsula where religious structures were destroyed and non-adherents to Sunni Islam were slaughtered. And are you aware that Islamic extremists for a century have murdered far more of their own Muslims than Westerners? By all means, enjoy criticizing Christianity, but don't do it while glorifying an ignorant perception of Islam.
    And again you missed the point, but I am guessing that was deliberate. I never claimed Islam was perfect, but I did claim that while Christian Europe was in its Dark Ages, the Islamic world had its golden age where all major religions were welcome and treated with respect and often treated as equals. Did that last? Of course not, and I never claimed it did. When Christianity started its reformation, the Islamic world was in total free fall from internal conflicts and of course from attacks by radical Christians during the crusades.

    Living in "peace" in the Islamic world meant certain taxes for being non-Islamic.
    Yes, but it is better than being forced to convert like in the Christian world.

    It also meant certain restrictions on religious freedom and structures.
    Not really, depends on the time frame we are talking about. During the golden age.. no, after.. yes. Then again, when the oh so tolerant Christians took over former Muslim areas of Europe, these oh so tolerant Christians did what to the mosques.. oh yea, tor them down or defaced them by planting a church in the middle.. ahh the tolerance.... ever heard of the Great Mosque of Cordoba?

    In other words, as long as they behaved and followed the rules, they were "tolerated."
    Again, so what? It is still better than being forced converted or driven out of your home or killed because you have the wrong religion... where did that happen.. oh yea in Christian Europe. Just ask the Jews..

    Did you know that in Saudi Arabia today, the Shia are denied the right to name their children certain names that might offend the Sunni tribe?
    And this has to do with Islam anno 900 AD in what way? Do you know that as Christian you cant name your child how you want according to the Church right? My parents preacher denied my name until they proved that it was a family name going back 500 years.. go figure with all that tolerance. After all the preacher could not deny a name that was approved 500 years ago by one of his fellow holy men could he now..

    And that they are denied certain religious freedoms?
    So what. Saudi Arabia is hardly the whole of Islam. 1.2+ billion Muslims and Saudi Arabia has at best about 30 million or so..

    And that they are held to different laws than the Sunni?
    And again, how is that different than anywhere else? Gays in America are held to different laws (some) than non gays.. how is that in any way different?

    And that the House of Saud is famous for funding thousands of schools throughout the world and the fundamental base of these schools is to legitimize the Sunni school of thought?
    Yea, and again so what. US evangelicals are using their power to dictate homosexuality laws in Uganda... only international outrage prevented (so far) that the Evangelicals got their way and made homosexuality punishable by death. Catholic Church still allows witch burnings in Nigeria and so on and so on. Or the US funding abstinence programs over condom programs to stem AIDS in Africa..same thing.

    Some would call such things oppression or age old colonialism within the Islamic world. I guess others call it "peace."
    Again, that is Islam of today, not Islam of 1000+ years ago.
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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    socialism is a disease of losers and those who wish to become rich without earning it by pandering to the losers

    nothing more nothing less
    So, basically, you managed to totally avoid all of the points I made, and instead replaced what normal people call an "argument" with some propagandic trash.

    If you want to make a countrepoint on the effectiveness of socialism, MAKE A COUNTREPOINT. In the post you quoted, there are two entire paragraphs devoted to proving how socialism is the most viable and healthy socioeconomic model on the planet, and yet you didn't make a single argument against that.

    This site is called Debate Politics, no? Howbout you try debating politics, for a change?

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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
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    this is not good.
    It's not like I'm offended or anything. I just think that it's pointless and impossible to determine the biggest douchebag.
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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    So, basically, you managed to totally avoid all of the points I made, and instead replaced what normal people call an "argument" with some propagandic trash.

    If you want to make a countrepoint on the effectiveness of socialism, MAKE A COUNTREPOINT. In the post you quoted, there are two entire paragraphs devoted to proving how socialism is the most viable and healthy socioeconomic model on the planet, and yet you didn't make a single argument against that.

    This site is called Debate Politics, no? Howbout you try debating politics, for a change?
    socialism is a disease your opinion about it notwithstanding

    it appeals to non producers =both rich and poor.

    as Dame Thatcher correctly noted

    its a great idea until you run out of other peoples' money

    why would anyone work hard when most of what they make is going to go to non producers

    Where did Sweden's great tennis players live when Sweden was in a tax grabbing orgasm? Monte Carlo

    and Greece has proven what a spectacular failure socialism is

    the bottom line, socialism or other forms of lowest common denominator nonsense punish success and reward sloth
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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Hm....how about groups? The KKK, al Qaeda....


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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Hm....how about groups? The KKK, al Qaeda....
    Nazis, various religious organizations in earlier times....
    Education.

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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Tamerlane is believed to have killed over 10 million people in his time. Including the majority of a cities population ( scholars, and tradesmen excepted)

    Ghengis Khan did pretty much the same, but I dont know about the numbers he killed in comparison.

    Niether were genocidal though. Mass murderers yes, genocidal no. Niether cared about wiping out any specific ethinic groups, just about inspiring fear in enemies to cause them to surrender without putting up a fight
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