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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

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    Put the Spanish Inquisition in there, the bastards.
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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    I agree - Pol Pot it is for me.

    He didn't do it for land - in the quest for land conquest I'd expect some mass murder - not saying it's right - but that's how it's done so it's not "out of place" in that context.

    But Pol Pot was just a piece of **** who had *no* resistance from anyone - ever.

    he didn't kill as many as Hitler - but Hitler would have wanted to be him.
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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I agree - Pol Pot it is for me.

    He didn't do it for land - in the quest for land conquest I'd expect some mass murder - not saying it's right - but that's how it's done so it's not "out of place" in that context.

    But Pol Pot was just a piece of **** who had *no* resistance from anyone - ever.

    he didn't kill as many as Hitler - but Hitler would have wanted to be him.
    true and while Hitler had Elvis Costello craft a song about him Pol Pot got far more coverage by the Dead Kennedys!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eyRO...eature=related
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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Mao, Stalin, and Hitler. Mao and Stalin killing tens of millions on their own.
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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Yes, I suppose I should have included Torquemada on the list, but who to replace?

    There have been plenty of bloody horrible mass murderers throughout history -- I tried to pick the ten who stood out as the most... Eh, something. Proportionally efficient, I suppose.

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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    The Americans have always, since the start of your young nation, been behind the curb of progress, compared to Europe (especially Britain, France and Germany). I could list innumerable examples of how America is still in the 19th century compared to Europe (stem cell research bans, lack of universal healthcare, shoddy welfare, total disregard for enriched education), but that's not what I'm going to debate right now -- those are universally accepted facts, anyway.
    I'm not going to get into the whole "debate" of who killed more/who's better/worst crap. But I did want to comment on this.

    Are you daft or what?

    First how are we behind the curb of progress? You cite stem cell research which yeah, fine I'd give ya. However America has not only single handedly made the technologies available today possible, America has achieved far more technological progress in the past 250 some odd years than the rest of the world did in thousands of years.

    It wasn't until America was around before the light bulb was even thought of.

    It wasn't until America was around before horseless carriages were made. (IE cars)

    It wasn't until America was around before planes were invented.

    And those are just the more notable ones. There are many many many more. Behind the curb? Get real. If it wasn't for America the majority of people would still be thinking that the world was flat.

    As for lack of universal health care? Yeah we are behind in it. Because the majority of Americans know that such a system is doomed to failure. And last I heard there are rumors of the European parliment wanting to go back to privatized health care. For the simple fact that they are running outta money.

    As for "enriched education"....get real. I just read and article not to long ago that there are schools over in Brit that are not going to teach about the Crusades or the halocaust so as not to offend muslims. It's pretty sad when history will not be taught just so as to not offend someone.

    Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims

    Talk about rewriting history....
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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    My God, you're like a Glenn Beck quote machine. With your left hand you tell me off for calling you blinded and ignorant, and with your right, you call me the very same thing. I'm not going to go through your veritable excerpt from the Tea Party Manifesto, as anyone who reads it quickly gathers that if you had replaced all your words with "USA! USA! USA!", you would've achieved the same effect -- that is, rallying the nationalistic, idiot masses of your nation to a history so warped you probably believe Rush Limbaugh when he says America is God's Blessed Gift to the Earth.
    Well, the Tea Party is full of crap and I've never sat and watched Rush Limbaugh. Don't know anything about Glenn Beck. So far, you're not being very effective in discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Firstly, America didn't win either of the World Wars.
    I never stated America won either World Wars. It did win in the Pacific largely alone. In Europe (which was none of our business), it facilitated and provided the military punch needed in the west and supplied virtually all the allied oil so that people like you 65 years later can **** all over American effort. In World War I it very much denied Germany its victory by stopping the Spring Offensive at Belleau Wood, which preserved Paris and allowed the European allies a chance to fight back and win. Even the Germans knew that they had to get that Offensive completed before we arrived.

    Again, your not being very effective in discussion. You seem to default too much.


    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    For another point, America's try at crimes against humanity absolutely pales in comparison to Europe's... If you forget about the Phillipines at the turn of the century, the KKK and daily lynchmobs in the South across the Depression, the massacres of Latin and South Americans by CIA agents, the race riots all across post-war America, Detroit 1968, the MacArthurite policies of napalming everything that moved in Vietnam, or mining everything that COULD move in Korea, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, or those regrettable McCarthyist executions during the, what, fifth, sixth wave of the Red Scare? I might also note that fighting a civil war over the issue of freeing blacks from slavery sixty years after the civilised world peacefully voted to do so is nothing to be proud of.
    You seem to miss the point in your desperate plea for European salvation. Typical. The point is that no matter what America has done, it pales significantly to what your people have done and unlike Europeans, we own our errors. Let's take a look at your desperate comparisons to alleviate European shame...

    1) America's Phillipine war (after defeating the Spanish who treated them horribly) is supposed to equal European colonialism across the world? The entire world has been made wrong by your kind and you seek to use the Phillipines to soothe?

    2) The racism of the KKK is supposed to equal hundreds and hundreds of years of organized hate throughout your region, which culminated into the Nazi Party? Ethnically cleansing the landscape from period to period and engineering multiple genocides comes down to a discussion about America's KKK? We ended KKK power on our own. And what global war did the KKK start that sucked your people in anyway?

    3) A few waterboraded in GITMO is supposed to equal the Gulag, Auschwitz, and hundreds of thousands of tortured Algerians? The depraved behaviors of Germans, Russians, and the French are compared to some CIA agents and a handful of probable terrorists who were merely waterboarded?

    4) Napalm in Vietnam, mines in Korea are supposed to equal two World Wars created by your people? Two isolated wars equals what your people have done?

    5) CIA 2 decade moves in South America are supposed to equal what your kind did across the Middle East, Africa, and Asia for hundreds of years? Hell, even Iran's Shah was a European engineered feat, in which America took part.

    You didn't bring up the Native American this time. Why? That's usually a favorite. Of course a genocide originally engineered by Europeans was long ago as compared to Europe's continual thirst for genocide in the 20thy century, huh? (Germany, Russia, Yugoslavia). And slaves? Europeans started the Atlantic Slave Trade. Europeans encouraged its continuance for economic purposes. The Civil War and eventual Civil Rights Marches are American and it's how we dealt with our own problem. That was us fixing us. This is unlike Europe in the twentieth century where Americans had to come across the ocean repeatedly to help you deal with your messes. Who is supposed to be the young country and who are supposed to be the parents? You accuse America of cowardice for not coming to wipe your asses soon enough in two world wars that you started and then seek to strip all credit for being the force that turned both wars in the proper direction. You can't reflect on any of your own history without seeking an American imperfection to unjustly and unfairly compare it. When Europeans come to the point where they are forced to invoke their past and start ethnically cleansing "non-Europeans" from their self-righteous midsts, I'm sure your kind will seek the Arizona Law against illegal immigrants to justify it. Pathetic. Just another typical European seeking to exonerate a depraved history of perfecting ethnic cleansing and genocide by using American imperfections. This all comes down to institutionalized jealousy and resentment. You hate our success and hate it even more that we did it without starting global wars and raping cultures and ruining tribes by colonizing the earth. This is why whenever we stumble, Europeans are always there to point, laugh, and compare the smallest things to absolute horrendous activities in and out of Europe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I also find it amusing that in the post directly below the one I'm responding to, you defend and glorify all things European, just because Europe was Christian and the Middle East was Muslim at the time. Well done, that.
    Well, this is because you are proving to be a very simple and black/white kind of gal. However, I have never "glorified all things European" (you are welcome to prove otherwise - other Europeans would get a kick out of that) and facts are facts. It's you who have a hate complex and I suspect it's because you have trouble coming to terms with your region's history (many of you do as you seek American imperfection to sooth your own depravities). Perhaps having some loyalty to a certain ideal instead of bouncing around your allegiance from party to party or nation to nation you'd be less confused about matters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    So let me give your little hierarchy a try, yeah? I imagine that you'll always support the Europeans in an argument over the Muslims, but you'll support the Americans over the Europeans.
    Well, you are new and are highly ignorant of those of us that are on record for our beliefs and convictions so I will enlighten a black hole. Muslims have gotten a raw deal in Europe because Europeans don't like outsiders. This mess between Muslims and "true" Europeans (as you like to call yourselves) is a product of centuries of ethnically cleansing your own lands and kicking out outsiders. You have evolved into a people who detest immigration and your lack of programs prove it. Religiious wars of the past were more about tribal identity and borders than God. However, Muslims can't come to a foriegn land and expect that host nation to twist its ideals and values about to accomodate immigrants. As far as Americans over Europeans...it depends on the subject matter. Your Scandinavian countries have a far better balance between capitalism and socialism than the rest of Europe and America. This is why they are among the happiest nations on earth, with the Americas and English speaking nations bunched up right after, and France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Greece, etc. (core countries) lagging far behind all of us. You see, I just look down on France and Germany (the biggest burdens for Europe and the world throughout the twentieth century.) But I won't let your kind get away with BS in a personal quest to feel better about your own historical depravities. In my opinion, an entire twentieth century providing support for European nations have been a waste of American treasure and blood. In the end, many of you are just a bunch of resentful, jealous, hateful, burdens who still can't fathom a world where Europe is not the power.

    So this would be the 3rd time in this post alone you have proven to be innefective in discussion because you run off ignorant assumptions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    And then, just a wild guess, your dogma will tell you that within the "American" circle to side with anything labelled "Republican" over anything labelled "Democrat", and beyond that, at your innermost circle, to support anything "Conservative" over anything "Liberal".
    Well, I believe both Democrats and Republicans are worthless and neither get my support in elections unless voting for the one I hate the least. Conservatives need to re-define themselves and back off the religious base, and liberals need to tighten up and pull their heads out of the clouds. However, I do detest the global Left (your kind) because they are the most hypocritical of all. These are people who cannot fathom a world where they don't get to blame the U.S. for everything and preach long and hard on humanitarian necessities, yet cringe at any real effort to bring it. In other words, they want the stigma of being better than everybody else, but don't really want to prove it.

    Uh-oh. Is that 4 times you've proven innefective in discussion because of your senseless default assumptions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post

    So, you essentially think that only Conservative Republican Christian Americans are right, and everyone else is a Godless/worthless/spineless/foreign piece of scum.
    Would this be a 5th time I get to embarrass you in one post with your own words? Actually, Conservative Republican Christian Americans are often "wrong." America is a liberal nation. It always has been. What used to be a healthy balance between Republicans and Democrats has evolved into spectrum fanaticism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    You're the kind of man that makes your country great, sir!
    Considering you got me wrong throughout the post and everybody with history here knows it, your opinion is invalid. But you are exactly what is wrong in Europe. And just think, other Europeans on this site try to convince me that your kind don't exist.
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    Hmm MSgt...for being someone from California you're not too bad. Good post.
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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

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    Hmm MSgt...for being someone from California you're not too bad. Good post.
    Yeah, I'm just stuck here in California on orders. Can't stand it here. In a month I will be on my way to North Carolina. I prefer the East Coast.

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    Re: Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well, the Tea Party is full of crap and I've never sat and watched Rush Limbaugh. Don't know anything about Glenn Beck. So far, you're not being very effective in discussion.



    I never stated America won either World Wars. It did win in the Pacific largely alone. In Europe (which was none of our business), it facilitated and provided the military punch needed in the west and supplied virtually all the allied oil so that people like you 65 years later can **** all over American effort. In World War I it very much denied Germany its victory by stopping the Spring Offensive at Belleau Wood, which preserved Paris and allowed the European allies a chance to fight back and win. Even the Germans knew that they had to get that Offensive completed before we arrived.

    Again, your not being very effective in discussion. You seem to default too much.




    You seem to miss the point in your desperate plea for European salvation. Typical. The point is that no matter what America has done, it pales significantly to what your people have done and unlike Europeans, we own our errors. Let's take a look at your desperate comparisons to alleviate European shame...

    1) America's Phillipine war (after defeating the Spanish who treated them horribly) is supposed to equal European colonialism across the world? The entire world has been made wrong by your kind and you seek to use the Phillipines to soothe?

    2) The racism of the KKK is supposed to equal hundreds and hundreds of years of organized hate throughout your region, which culminated into the Nazi Party? Ethnically cleansing the landscape from period to period and engineering multiple genocides comes down to a discussion about America's KKK? We ended KKK power on our own. And what global war did the KKK start that sucked your people in anyway?

    3) A few waterboraded in GITMO is supposed to equal the Gulag, Auschwitz, and hundreds of thousands of tortured Algerians? The depraved behaviors of Germans, Russians, and the French are compared to some CIA agents and a handful of probable terrorists who were merely waterboarded?

    4) Napalm in Vietnam, mines in Korea are supposed to equal two World Wars created by your people? Two isolated wars equals what your people have done?

    5) CIA 2 decade moves in South America are supposed to equal what your kind did across the Middle East, Africa, and Asia for hundreds of years? Hell, even Iran's Shah was a European engineered feat, in which America took part.

    You didn't bring up the Native American this time. Why? That's usually a favorite. Of course a genocide originally engineered by Europeans was long ago as compared to Europe's continual thirst for genocide in the 20thy century, huh? (Germany, Russia, Yugoslavia). And slaves? Europeans started the Atlantic Slave Trade. Europeans encouraged its continuance for economic purposes. The Civil War and eventual Civil Rights Marches are American and it's how we dealt with our own problem. That was us fixing us. This is unlike Europe in the twentieth century where Americans had to come across the ocean repeatedly to help you deal with your messes. Who is supposed to be the young country and who are supposed to be the parents? You accuse America of cowardice for not coming to wipe your asses soon enough in two world wars that you started and then seek to strip all credit for being the force that turned both wars in the proper direction. You can't reflect on any of your own history without seeking an American imperfection to unjustly and unfairly compare it. When Europeans come to the point where they are forced to invoke their past and start ethnically cleansing "non-Europeans" from their self-righteous midsts, I'm sure your kind will seek the Arizona Law against illegal immigrants to justify it. Pathetic. Just another typical European seeking to exonerate a depraved history of perfecting ethnic cleansing and genocide by using American imperfections. This all comes down to institutionalized jealousy and resentment. You hate our success and hate it even more that we did it without starting global wars and raping cultures and ruining tribes by colonizing the earth. This is why whenever we stumble, Europeans are always there to point, laugh, and compare the smallest things to absolute horrendous activities in and out of Europe.



    Well, this is because you are proving to be a very simple and black/white kind of gal. However, I have never "glorified all things European" (you are welcome to prove otherwise - other Europeans would get a kick out of that) and facts are facts. It's you who have a hate complex and I suspect it's because you have trouble coming to terms with your region's history (many of you do as you seek American imperfection to sooth your own depravities). Perhaps having some loyalty to a certain ideal instead of bouncing around your allegiance from party to party or nation to nation you'd be less confused about matters.



    Well, you are new and are highly ignorant of those of us that are on record for our beliefs and convictions so I will enlighten a black hole. Muslims have gotten a raw deal in Europe because Europeans don't like outsiders. This mess between Muslims and "true" Europeans (as you like to call yourselves) is a product of centuries of ethnically cleansing your own lands and kicking out outsiders. You have evolved into a people who detest immigration and your lack of programs prove it. Religiious wars of the past were more about tribal identity and borders than God. However, Muslims can't come to a foriegn land and expect that host nation to twist its ideals and values about to accomodate immigrants. As far as Americans over Europeans...it depends on the subject matter. Your Scandinavian countries have a far better balance between capitalism and socialism than the rest of Europe and America. This is why they are among the happiest nations on earth, with the Americas and English speaking nations bunched up right after, and France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Greece, etc. (core countries) lagging far behind all of us. You see, I just look down on France and Germany (the biggest burdens for Europe and the world throughout the twentieth century.) But I won't let your kind get away with BS in a personal quest to feel better about your own historical depravities. In my opinion, an entire twentieth century providing support for European nations have been a waste of American treasure and blood. In the end, many of you are just a bunch of resentful, jealous, hateful, burdens who still can't fathom a world where Europe is not the power.

    So this would be the 3rd time in this post alone you have proven to be innefective in discussion because you run off ignorant assumptions.



    Well, I believe both Democrats and Republicans are worthless and neither get my support in elections unless voting for the one I hate the least. Conservatives need to re-define themselves and back off the religious base, and liberals need to tighten up and pull their heads out of the clouds. However, I do detest the global Left (your kind) because they are the most hypocritical of all. These are people who cannot fathom a world where they don't get to blame the U.S. for everything and preach long and hard on humanitarian necessities, yet cringe at any real effort to bring it. In other words, they want the stigma of being better than everybody else, but don't really want to prove it.

    Uh-oh. Is that 4 times you've proven innefective in discussion because of your senseless default assumptions?



    Would this be a 5th time I get to embarrass you in one post with your own words? Actually, Conservative Republican Christian Americans are often "wrong." America is a liberal nation. It always has been. What used to be a healthy balance between Republicans and Democrats has evolved into spectrum fanaticism.



    Considering you got me wrong throughout the post and everybody with history here knows it, your opinion is invalid. But you are exactly what is wrong in Europe. And just think, other Europeans on this site try to convince me that your kind don't exist.

    I can not respond to your bait, er, that is, post, as you'll likely attempt to get me banned again, but I can suffice it to say that you are a very narrow-minded and ignorant person, in my opinion -- and the opinions of most of humanity's population, as well, were they to see such rubbish as this.

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