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  • Drug tests

    35 68.63%
  • Credit checks

    14 27.45%
  • microchip implants

    2 3.92%
  • perform sexual acts for job and or promotion

    11 21.57%
  • Criminal background checks

    37 72.55%
  • DNA tests

    3 5.88%
  • wiretapping of employee's personal phones or other communication devices

    2 3.92%
  • ankle bracelets on 24 hours a day to track where the employee goes.

    3 5.88%
  • A search of personal property of the employee's home.

    2 3.92%
  • other

    8 15.69%
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    Re: What should an employer be able to have an employee or potential employee submit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If enough people are willing to subit to it, it is the socially optimal outcome and those who refuse to submit to it are SOOL.
    Wrong. That mindset is derived from the idea that whatever The Market wants is good. The Market is not some benevolent deity. The free market can (and often does) produce suboptimal outcomes for society.

    Even if enough people are willing to submit to it, it doesn't mean they're happy about it. The nation is better off when the government regulates what employers are allowed to ask their employees about.
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    Re: What should an employer be able to have an employee or potential employee submit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's easy as pie to keep them out of your personal life. They aren't obligated to hire you. You aren't obligated to work for them. You want them out of your perosnal life, then stay away from their business life.
    Except as you said, "if enough people submit to it, those who don't are SOOL." Meaning that eventually people won't have a choice, as it becomes customary for employers to ask for those things and for employees to submit to those invasions of their privacy.
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    Re: What should an employer be able to have an employee or potential employee submit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's easy as pie to keep them out of your personal life. They aren't obligated to hire you. You aren't obligated to work for them. You want them out of your perosnal life, then stay away from their business life.
    You obviously havent made a god damn pie before!
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    Re: What should an employer be able to have an employee or potential employee submit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Wrong. That mindset is derived from the idea that whatever The Market wants is good. The Market is not some benevolent deity. The free market can (and often does) produce suboptimal outcomes for society.
    Go play with your strawman elsewhere. I said nothing about "good" and nothing about the "Market". Society dictates what is optimal. If society (meaning the people) determine that submission to these tests are optimal, then they are optimal.

    You seem to be confusing my thoughts on perosnal choice with "good" and "bad".

    Even if enough people are willing to submit to it, it doesn't mean they're happy about it.
    If they are unhappy, it's there own fault.


    The nation is better off when the government regulates what employers are allowed to ask their employees about.
    that's a nice opinion and all, but without something to back it up, why should I believe you? Simply starting your post with "wrong" and following it with a strawman automatically makes me think you are not equipped with teh abilities to nmake such claims. Prove that thought wrong.
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    Re: What should an employer be able to have an employee or potential employee submit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Except as you said, "if enough people submit to it, those who don't are SOOL." Meaning that eventually people won't have a choice, as it becomes customary for employers to ask for those things and for employees to submit to those invasions of their privacy.
    Even if it becomes customary, it won't become universal. There will be choices extant even still.

    If people don't have the balls to make tough choices based on their principles, I don't have any sympathy for them.

    This isn't about the free market, its about personal responsibility for your own actions. I'm a big proponent of that.
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    Re: What should an employer be able to have an employee or potential employee submit

    10 people said sexual favors would be permissible to get promoted? Man that's just plain wrong!

    I think that should only occur if the chick is hot because I would feel sorry for the boss if she's a dog!

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    Re: What should an employer be able to have an employee or potential employee submit

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    10 people said sexual favors would be permissible to get promoted? Man that's just plain wrong!

    I think that should only occur if the chick is hot because I would feel sorry for the boss if she's a dog!
    lol.

    Actually, there is one job I can think of where the employer is completely justified in having their employees or potential employees submit to performing sex acts for the job and/or for promotions.

    A fake Kewpie doll to whoever guesses which job I'm thinking about.
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    Re: What should an employer be able to have an employee or potential employee submit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    lol.

    Actually, there is one job I can think of where the employer is completely justified in having their employees or potential employees submit to performing sex acts for the job and/or for promotions.

    A fake Kewpie doll to whoever guesses which job I'm thinking about.
    Porno audition?

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    Re: What should an employer be able to have an employee or potential employee submit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Go play with your strawman elsewhere. I said nothing about "good" and nothing about the "Market". Society dictates what is optimal. If society (meaning the people) determine that submission to these tests are optimal, then they are optimal.
    It's not a straw man. In fact, you literally just parroted back what I wrote...you just replaced "the market" with "the people" even though they mean exactly the same thing in this context. It's not that "the people" or "society" have determined that submission to these tests is the optimal outcome; I highly doubt many employees are beating down the doors of employers begging to have their credit checked or their DNA tested to prove their commitment to the job. Nevertheless, they might grudgingly submit to it...ESPECIALLY if, as you said, enough other people are doing it that they are SOOL if they don't do it. That is NOT a socially optimal outcome just because employers are able to coerce employees to do something they don't want to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    You seem to be confusing my thoughts on perosnal choice with "good" and "bad".
    So far, everything you have written has indicated that you have a Panglossian view that whatever outcome occurs is the socially optimal outcome, as long as it was decided by the free market (or "society" if that is your preferred euphemism).

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    If they are unhappy, it's there own fault.
    You just stated that if they don't submit and everyone else does, then they're SOOL (and that that's OK with you). Make up your mind.
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    Re: What should an employer be able to have an employee or potential employee submit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    lol.

    Actually, there is one job I can think of where the employer is completely justified in having their employees or potential employees submit to performing sex acts for the job and/or for promotions.

    A fake Kewpie doll to whoever guesses which job I'm thinking about.
    A pie maker???
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