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Thread: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    It goes towards motivation, if there is not a pressing need for another Mosque then why build it? Given the words of this Imam I think the motivations are clear IE to give the proverbial **** you to the American people.
    I'm curious if you intentionally left out the last sentence in my quote? Here it is again just incase you missed it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I'll respond to this with some maps for your viewing pleasure...

    Churches in Manhattan - Google Maps

    Mosques in Manhattan - Google Maps



    Why are you even asking "how many Muslims live in the area"? Should I ask how many Christians live in my area and use that number to determine how many churches should go in around the city I live in? The answer to that question is "WTF NO!"

    Just like any other religious location, if they can't get enough people coming through they will eventually close down. And I highly doubt this Islamic Center will have any problems getting enough people to go there.
    Is there a "pressing need" for those hundreds of churches on the map? You know, I don't care what the answer to that question is. And I say the same thing about a "pressing need" for another Mosque.

    And I'm still waiting for proof of negative intentions behind this center.
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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    You didn't pay attention the first hundred times you've been shown. Why bother?
    Because I and MANY people (like other muslims in America, and quite a few democrats) disagree that placing the mosque there, that isnt QUITE the same thing as denying them their constitutional rights...now is it?

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    We who see it for what it is have the right to exercise our freedom of speech to protest this slap in the face from an overt Islamist and encourage others to exercise their right of self ownership not to trade their labour for the capital of this Islamist.
    Yes, if everyone could only see from your viewpoint this would not be an issue.

    By accusing all those opposed to actions of this specific Iman of demagoguery for exercising the same rights as the Islamist that he defends proves Paul for the hypocrite that he is.
    What would you say to Ron Paul about this issue, if given the chance?
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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I'm curious if you intentionally left out the last sentence in my quote? Here it is again just incase you missed it.



    Is there a "pressing need" for those hundreds of churches on the map?
    I'm sure there is, 12 mosques for the Muslim community in the entire city of NY sounds about right, why do they need 3 Mosques within 12 blocks of eachother?

    You know, I don't care what the answer to that question is. And I say the same thing about a "pressing need" for another Mosque.

    And I'm still waiting for proof of negative intentions behind this center.
    This Imam is a proponent of Sharia law he is an Islamist, this Islamist stated that the U.S. was an accessory to 9-11 and that OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after the attacks, he has repeatedly refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, and most recently he has been shown to have compared the U.S. unfavorably to AQ.

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Yes, if everyone could only see from your viewpoint this would not be an issue.



    What would you say to Ron Paul about this issue, if given the chance?

    What I've already said, that he's a hypocrite, apparently he thinks that pointing to the words and actions of a very specific Imam is an attempt to scapegoat an entire religion.

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I'm sure there is, 12 mosques for the Muslim community in the entire city of NY sounds about right, why do they need 3 Mosques within 12 blocks of eachother?
    I don't know, why do we need a Starbucks on every other street corner? Yet they're all over the place. Doesn't matter "need", what matters is "can". And they can put up as many mosques as they can afford to build assuming property and zoning is met.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    This Imam is a proponent of Sharia law he is an Islamist, this Islamist stated that the U.S. was an accessory to 9-11 and that OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after the attacks, he has repeatedly refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, and most recently he has been shown to have compared the U.S. unfavorably to AQ.
    Do you have to condemn Hamas in order to build a mosque in this country? Maybe the dude is just an asshole. Ain't no law against that.
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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    A) That Mosque was there before 9-11.

    B) This actually helps your case as there are already two Mosques in the general area then why is a third Mega-Mosque necessary? Are we to believe that there is a pressing demand for a 3rd Mosque within 20 blocks of 2 others in a highly commercial non-residential area? How many Muslims actually even live within the vicinity of these Mosques?
    Perhaps we should restrict the right of Jews from boarding any USS? After all, it was a Jewish government that blew up the USS Liberty. Or how about restricting ANY churches from being constructed near an abortion clinic? I believe in individual human rights. You believe in censorship.

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Perhaps we should restrict the right of Jews from boarding any USS? After all, it was a Jewish government that blew up the USS Liberty
    Ya it was a case of friendly fire.

    Or how about restricting ANY churches from being constructed near an abortion clinic?
    An evangelical church placed right next to a site where a radical evangelical murdered an abortion clinic doctor would be highly inappropriate, as would an evangelical church next to the site where Mathew Shepherd was murdered.

    I believe in individual human rights. You believe in censorship.
    No you don't believe in individual rights, if you did you would not be harassing me for exercising mine while at the same time defending those rights for an overt Islamist. You are a hypocrite.

    How in the ****ing hell am I for censorship pal? I have said time and time again that they have the right to build their Mosque, but here you are telling me that I'm a bigot by exercising my freedom of speech to encourage others to exercise their own rights of self ownership not to enter into contractual obligations to trade their labour for this overt Islamists capital due to this very specific Imam's words and actions.

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know, why do we need a Starbucks on every other street corner? Yet they're all over the place. Doesn't matter "need", what matters is "can". And they can put up as many mosques as they can afford to build assuming property and zoning is met.
    There's a lot of demand for new starbucks is there a huge demand for 3 Mosque's within this small 12 block largely commericial area?


    Do you have to condemn Hamas in order to build a mosque in this country?
    No, but when a person is asked point blank repeatedly if an organization which intentionally murders women and children is a terrorist organization and that person refuses to answer in the affirmative you have to question what that person stands for and what are his true motivations behind building the Mega-Mosque.

    Maybe the dude is just an asshole. Ain't no law against that.
    Aint no law against protesting assholes either.

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya it was a case of friendly fire.



    An evangelical church placed right next to a site where a radical evangelical murdered an abortion clinic doctor would be highly inappropriate, as would an evangelical church next to the site where Mathew Shepherd was murdered.



    No you don't believe in individual rights, if you did you would not be harassing me for exercising mine while at the same time defending those rights for an overt Islamist. You are a hypocrite.

    How in the ****ing hell am I for censorship pal? I have said time and time again that they have the right to build their Mosque, but here you are telling me that I'm a bigot by exercising my freedom of speech to encourage others to exercise their own rights of self ownership not to enter into contractual obligations to trade their labour for this overt Islamists capital due to this very specific Imam's words and actions.

    You need to watch the Colbert Report, my friend.

    I'm sorry I was so quick to draw the conclusion that you wished their individual rights were censored. I just hear that crap all the time. Inappropriate? In my heartest of heart, I don't think so. I do think some of the most infamous protestor signs out there in Manhattan are definitely inappropriate.

    I don't think your right to speech should be censored, but please don't ever support ANY sort of governmental restriction to prevent the construction of the mosque.

    Ever heard of Iranian flight 655?


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