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Thread: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    You need to watch the Colbert Report, my friend.
    I don't give a **** what Glenn Beck says (even though he didn't call the U.S. an accessory to 9-11) this man labeled the U.S. an accessory to 9-11 and said OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after the attacks, he has repeatedly refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, and he supports Sharia law stating that he doesn't want secular laws to contradict the Koran or the Hadiths and is head and co-founder of the Sharia Index Project, and most recently made public he compared the U.S. unfavorably to AQ. He's not a moderate as has been claimed and if he's a moderate then that begs the question of what should be considered radical?

    I'm sorry I was so quick to draw the conclusion that you wished their individual rights were censored. I just hear that crap all the time. Inappropriate? In my heartest of heart, I don't think so. I do think some of the most infamous protestor signs out there in Manhattan are definitely inappropriate.

    I don't think your right to speech should be censored, but please don't ever support ANY sort of governmental restriction to prevent the construction of the mosque.
    I don't support government let alone governmental intervention into the property rights of the individual.

    Ever heard of Iranian flight 655?

    Mistaken identity, do you really think the U.S. military would intentionally fire on a civilian airliner?

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I don't give a **** what Glenn Beck says (even though he didn't call the U.S. an accessory to 9-11) this man labeled the U.S. an accessory to 9-11 and said OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after the attacks, he has repeatedly refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, and he supports Sharia law stating that he doesn't want secular laws to contradict the Koran or the Hadiths and is head and co-founder of the Sharia Index Project, and most recently made public he compared the U.S. unfavorably to AQ. He's not a moderate as has been claimed and if he's a moderate then that begs the question of what should be considered radical?



    I don't support government let alone governmental intervention into the property rights of the individual.



    Mistaken identity, do you really think the U.S. military would intentionally fire on a civilian airliner?
    A) Who are you talking about? I said the Colbert Report, not Glenn Beck.

    B) Then why did they cover it up and never apologize, officially, to Iran? Sometimes, just an apology is necessary, not a frickin' cover-up.

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    A) Who are you talking about? I said the Colbert Report, not Glenn Beck.
    I thought you were referencing the Colbert Show episode with the clip from Beck.

    B) Then why did they cover it up and never apologize, officially, to Iran? Sometimes, just an apology is necessary, not a frickin' cover-up.
    We didn't cover it up, it was an accident.

    We did apologize and payed them a $131 Million dollar settlement.

    Anyways why are we talking about Iran, they're not even the same type of Muslims.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 08-25-10 at 11:24 PM.

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I thought you were referencing the Colbert Show episode with the clip from Beck.



    We didn't cover it up, it was an accident.

    We did apologize and payed them a $131 Million dollar settlement.

    Anyways why are we talking about Iran, they're not even the same type of Muslims.
    Any further debate with you is futile.

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Any further debate with you is futile.
    I partially agree with Agent Ferris on this one. It was an accident. The American government did not appologise but they did pay $131 million... but not until 8 years after the incident. A bit late IMO.

    But what does this have to do with what we're discussing?
    "There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, it to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution." óJohn Adams

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I partially agree with Agent Ferris on this one. It was an accident. The American government did not appologise but they did pay $131 million... but not until 8 years after the incident. A bit late IMO.

    But what does this have to do with what we're discussing?
    We issued letters of regret, it was an accident caused by the fog of war.

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Any further debate with you is futile.
    And why is that exactly? What's there to debate anyways. You brought up a completely unrelated topic regarding an accident caused by the fog of war which doesn't even involve the same type of Muslims that we're talking about.

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by futfut View Post
    Yeah i agree with you, it's their government, it's their problem. But the problem is that we give their government billions each years.




    I don't condone terrorism. The sacrifice of any innocent life is never justified. My point is to listen and to learn the reasons that motivate them to attack us. And our meddling in their countries, is the principal reason why they came here.



    Well first they don't have elected officials . But even it was the case, we're talking about terrorists here. These people are irrational enough to sacrifice the life of innocent people. When they see foreign troops in their land that are accepted by their corrupt leaders, and some drones are causing some "collateral damage" on some family, do you think they're gonna ask us politely to leave? no their reaction will be to take revenge any way it's possible.


    The problem is in many case, our foreign policies allows a lot of atrocity to occur consciously or not.



    Nope i find this statement pretty offensive. And our insane foreign policy is what caused 9/11. We were allies with Saddam, supported him with money, training, weapons and other technology for years. Same with Bin laden. We're fabricating our own enemies.


    This was a collective punishment. Those sanctions which were aimed at Saddam, only hurt the Iraqi people. This was pretty stupid, and caused a lot of resentment not against him but against the people who imposed those sanctions.
    Yawn.

    I don't accept Blame the Victim Arguments.

    Address the point that THEIR government made the choices, not the secretary on the 90th floor of WTC 1 or the stewardess on Flight 93.

    The sanctions hurt the Iraqi people because Saddam Hussein was a murderous dictator. Address that fact.

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I'll respond to this with some maps for your viewing pleasure...

    Churches in Manhattan - Google Maps

    Mosques in Manhattan - Google Maps



    Why are you even asking "how many Muslims live in the area"? Should I ask how many Christians live in my area and use that number to determine how many churches should go in around the city I live in? The answer to that question is "WTF NO!"

    Just like any other religious location, if they can't get enough people coming through they will eventually close down. And I highly doubt this Islamic Center will have any problems getting enough people to go there.


    Name other monuments to muslim terrorists atrocties that have been closed.

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    Re: "Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots" article about 'GZ Mosque'... Do you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Iraq invaded Kuwait on charges of stealing Iraqi oil via slant drilling. Then 8 days before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, the US Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie - in response to a complaint from Saddam about Kuwaiti actions against Iraq - told him: "we have no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. Secretary of State James Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."

    So most of it could have been resolved with proper diplomacy first. Maybe saying instead something like "The United States would have very negative opinions of open hostilities and depending on the situation; may have to get involved should open hostilities develop".
    And the Big So What in this argument is that if the neighbor on your left asks you what your interest in your neighbor on your right's car, and you reply "I have no opinion on your conflict with Ted. Your issue is not associated with me." And if you then report to the police that Neighor Left stole Neighbor Right's car, you in no way either gave him permission to steal the car (It's not yours, you can't give that permission), nor did you assure him that you would take no action if he behaved wrongly.

    Also, the issue in question to the response you cited was in regards to a dispute over a border marker getting shifted a few meters.

    The murder and rape Saddam Hussein committed was totally out of proportion to the misdemeanor of stealing a little oil. At the most, Hussein should have bombed the slant drilling sites as a warning.

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