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Why aren't women happy???

Those things don't cause unhappiness. Frankly, some of the unhappiest people I know are wealthy.



It's hard to be happy when you're worried about your bills all of the time.

The rich that are so "unhappy" either a) came up rich and therefore don't know what it's like to struggle b) got rich later but forgot where they cane from or c) clinical depression.

Just my guesses though.

But as the old saying goes, money may not buy happiness but poverty makes you miserable.

The more money you have the easier life is and there is more possiblility to be happy.

I'm not a shrink though so who knows? It's speculation on my part.
 
My sister seems pretty happy to me, though I have never asked her. The reason I bring her up in this conversation is that she has taken an unorthodox approach to raising her kids and having a career. She used to own her own company and so her approach was her decision. She has since sold the company and moved to a different company, who have no problem working with her schedule. What she does is that she takes reduced salary and works 3 days a week. She has Monday's and Friday's off to spend time with the kids and their numerous activities (camp, music, swimming, cooking, soccer, etc) which I am sure the moms in the thread know very well. When she works, the kids are in daycare, but they get picked up by their dad, who is a teacher and gets off early. This arrangement works very well for them. They still manage to be extremely busy, but I suppose happy.
 
Yeah... they have more money and time to invest in personal growth. That is the main appeal to having more money for me, not really the material side of things... and it would be nice to have expendible cash for helping people.

Totally the same thing for me.

Material possessions don't have the allure they once did when I was younger.
Generally speaking, the brains of a wealthy person and the brains of a non wealthy person work differently in regards to possession, money and self actualization.
 
It's hard to be happy when you're worried about your bills all of the time.

The rich that are so "unhappy" either a) came up rich and therefore don't know what it's like to struggle b) got rich later but forgot where they cane from or c) clinical depression.

Just my guesses though.

But as the old saying goes, money may not buy happiness but poverty makes you miserable.

The more money you have the easier life is and there is more possiblility to be happy.

I'm not a shrink though so who knows? It's speculation on my part.

If you're seriously interested in this stuff, I suggest you take some marketing classes and/or read about behavior economics.

It opens the door to the human decision making process.
 
What is the deal? Women today are getting all of the choices that their mothers fought for...so why are women tending to be less happy and men are becoming happier?

Because women are working outside their natural environment is the source of a of them being unhappy. A woman's natural environment even before recorded history has been the home cooking meals for her man, taking care of the children,keeping the home clean, reading womens fairy tales ie romance novels and putting out when ever the man has sexual urges. Would a salt water dolphin be happy if you threw it fresh water lake and would a fresh water dolphin be happy if you threw in the ocean? Of course not. Women are unhappy about being outside their natural environment, many are just in denial about it. So women you should get off the computer, fix your man a sandwich,get him a beer and go pop out babies. Do what women should naturally do. :mrgreen: just kidding.
 
I'm not talking about clinical depression. I'm talking about lack of money or other things that cause unhappiness.

If it isn't psychological, then it your outlook on life. Nothing more to it...

Harry Guerilla
There is a correlation between wealth and happiness.
Wealthy folks tend to be happier from what I've read.

I think it has less to do with the actual money and more to do with self actualization.

Actually, it is the opposite. Wealthy folks tend to be more unhappy. The studies have been done to show that there is more depression in developed nations than undeveloped nations since those in developed nations have more time to conduct self evaluations than those that have to work to survive. The same studies extended to those that were poor versus those that were financially secure for the same reasons.
 
Actually, it is the opposite. Wealthy folks tend to be more unhappy. The studies have been done to show that there is more depression in developed nations than undeveloped nations since those in developed nations have more time to conduct self evaluations than those that have to work to survive. The same studies extended to those that were poor versus those that were financially secure for the same reasons.

Depends on what we are talking about as wealth.

Being a bazillionaire or being financially secure?
 
What is the deal? Women today are getting all of the choices that their mothers fought for...so why are women tending to be less happy and men are becoming happier?

"As the ERA woke women up, I remember that initial thrill of empowerment sweeping over us," she said. "But Shannon's generation has had to face all the implications we didn't fully anticipate, and I see how incredibly hard it can be. I don't know anybody who would want to go back to the way it was, but I think those high expectations are taking a toll on women's happiness."

The Happiness Quotient / Do high expectations and a plethora of choices make modern women miserable?

"Perhaps the most persuasive explanation for the happiness gap echoes Lisa Boucher's observation: Having choices means that women actually must choose. "

"I want to preface this by saying that you're catching me on a really crazed week. I know I'm lucky to have a beautiful, happy kid; a great job; a great husband who pitches in," she acknowledges. "But here's where I am right at this moment: Last night I just turned to him and said, 'You know what, I'm not happy in my life.

" 'I've lost my joy.' "


The Happiness Quotient / Do high expectations and a plethora of choices make modern women miserable?

Why is this?
Why is the more and more common?
Why Aren't Women Happy?

I hear more and more of this...

Having watched her own parents divorce when she was 13, forcing her homemaker mother to get a job, Boucher vowed that she would never be felled by a similar fate. "I swore that I would never depend on any man, that I would establish my own successful career, that I wouldn't let anybody into my life that much," she says. "But now I have somebody to share my life with, and what I really want most is to be able to stay home and spend time with my daughter.

"So we women broke out of the little boxes that defined us, and now it seems like everybody's trying to get back in there. I'm trying to get back in."


It is sad. I am not sure why society feels that it has to "evolve" into something...does it? Where are we going? What are we leaving behind? Who benifits? Who is being hurt.

Frankly, I don't know how women today "do it." By "do it," I mean balance a career with family. What is so much fun about dropping kids at daycare at 7:30 in the morning, putting in a hard day's work, hurrying to pick them up at daycare by 6 PM, then hurrying home only to have the little ankle biters suck the living life's blood right outa' them 'til they get put to bed 2 or 3 hours later. What on earth could be "fun" about that? How do they enjoy their children? Where is their quiet family time? Saturdays? Hell, no. They're busy running errands and having the life blood sucked right outa' them then, too. Mayyyybe Sundays. But that's no sure thing, either. When's housework? Laundry? I don't care if her husband is helping, it's still a grind. And it never ends.

Women have been "liberated" to a life of drudgery. With their equal rights have come awesome responsibilities. And many times very unhappy husbands. With all this liberation, something's got to give -- and with a divorce rate of almost 50%, there's no doubt in MY mind what's "giving."

If husbands only knew what they were missing by not encouraging their wives to stay at home and raise their kids, they would (both of them) scale back their wants and find a way for mom to have a part-time "job" instead of a full-time "career." It's really kind of sad, I think.
 
I don't buy it.
 
Frankly, I don't know how women today "do it." By "do it," I mean balance a career with family. What is so much fun about dropping kids at daycare at 7:30 in the morning, putting in a hard day's work, hurrying to pick them up at daycare by 6 PM, then hurrying home only to have the little ankle biters suck the living life's blood right outa' them 'til they get put to bed 2 or 3 hours later. What on earth could be "fun" about that? How do they enjoy their children? Where is their quiet family time? Saturdays? Hell, no. They're busy running errands and having the life blood sucked right outa' them then, too. Mayyyybe Sundays. But that's no sure thing, either. When's housework? Laundry? I don't care if her husband is helping, it's still a grind. And it never ends.

Women have been "liberated" to a life of drudgery. With their equal rights have come awesome responsibilities. And many times very unhappy husbands. With all this liberation, something's got to give -- and with a divorce rate of almost 50%, there's no doubt in MY mind what's "giving."

If husbands only knew what they were missing by not encouraging their wives to stay at home and raise their kids, they would (both of them) scale back their wants and find a way for mom to have a part-time "job" instead of a full-time "career." It's really kind of sad, I think.


Men do it to and have been since the beginning of time.
 
Most working families need the two incomes just survive.
 
Men do it to and have been since the beginning of time.

Yes, they have, Johnny. But until our most recent past, men have "done it" with the help of stay-at-home wives. A man's lot in life right now is a hard row to hoe.
 
Most working families need the two incomes just survive.

This is completely and utterly false. My wife and two daughters lived in one of the most affluent areas on earth, Newport Beach, Ca on one teachers salary. That's it. Beginning teachers salary, as a matter of fact.

We then moved to Napa Valley and again lived on one teachers salary... what people need and what people want are two distinct differences. People generally confuse the two since they don't understand the difference and generally are unable to impose self control.
 
That's mostly because they went to far with toys and debt.


Or because they don't make enough money. It's hard. Especially in today's economy. Not to mention those who are Not on the dole. I know at this point in time my family needs th two incomes. Actually more. Not many toys and one car.
 
This is completely and utterly false. My wife and two daughters lived in one of the most affluent areas on earth, Newport Beach, Ca on one teachers salary. That's it. Beginning teachers salary, as a matter of fact.

We then moved to Napa Valley and again lived on one teachers salary... what people need and what people want are two distinct differences. People generally confuse the two since they don't understand the difference and generally are unable to impose self control.


Teachers make good money.
 
Or because they don't make enough money. It's hard. Especially in today's economy. Not to mention those who are Not on the dole. I know at this point in time my family needs th two incomes. Actually more. Not many toys and one car.

All I know is that I earn $25k a year with a family of 4 and can afford it in my locality.
Even then I'm sure there are people with special circumstances that couldn't make it but if I can do it, most others can too.
 
This is completely and utterly false. My wife and two daughters lived in one of the most affluent areas on earth, Newport Beach, Ca on one teachers salary. That's it. Beginning teachers salary, as a matter of fact.

We then moved to Napa Valley and again lived on one teachers salary... what people need and what people want are two distinct differences. People generally confuse the two since they don't understand the difference and generally are unable to impose self control.



Even if that is the case how do you expect people to rise up without more income?
 
Even if that is the case how do you expect people to rise up without more income?

It's been a looong time since I've had to "watch pennies," but I'm sure I could do it again. When two people get married, they pool their incomes and live to that standard. It didn't used to be that way. Couples lived on one income and banked the other one 'til they started a family. That gave them a downpayment on a little starter home someplace and they were off to a pretty darned good start. Not today. Today, at least in the Chicago area, it's a McMansion first home 1-1/2 hours from their jobs (so they can afford 'em), two newer cars, and toys-toys-toys. Oh, and that doesn't even COUNT the $20,000 wedding...
 
That's not the case for everyone.

People that do that are dumb.
 
Teachers make good money.



Even if that is the case how do you expect people to rise up without more income?

That is true compared to those that work hourly... my point is that poeple have choices and can do various things in their lives so that they don't have to work two jobs regardless of their income. If more of society did this, housing prices would come down, as would all prices. People comtrol the market, not the producers. People control how wociety functions, not the government. If the more affluent and middle classes did this, it would help those of lower socio-economic status get ahead as well.
 
The amount they make in California vs the cost of living there ain't all that great.

I wasn't going to get into that, but you are correct. A beginning teacher's salary versus CA cost of living, especially in Newport Beach, is not very good. But we were still able to do it. CA's cost of living is the highest in the nation, i think. Certainly top 5.
 
The amount they make in California vs the cost of living there ain't all that great.


That's wrong if that's the case. It's better than what a lot of people make thaw what I was getting at. FTR, I believe they should get pad more for what the put up with.
 
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