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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    In other words his only role is to tell you what Jesus actually meant.
    His role was to put the message of God in a different context and cultural vernacular.

    Mull this over:

    "The saviors of the world do not come to foster inimical doctrinal divisions; their teachings should not be used toward that end. It is something of a misnomer even to refer to the New Testament as the Christian Bible, for it does not belong exclusively to any one sect. Truth is meant for the blessing and upliftment of the entire human race. As the Christ Consciousness is universal, so does Jesus Christ belong to all."
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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Nope. It is a religion of peace that has some war-like elements to it that are being drastically hi-jacked by extreme fundamentalists, that's all.
    FALSE ! It is an ideology of war and genocide. This is inherent in the ideology itself (all through the Koran). The people you refer to as having hijacked it, have not done that at all. They are following the words of the Koran faithfully. It is the Koran, Islam itself that is the war element.

    The terrorists didn't create the Koran. The Koran created the terrorists.


    Koran 8:12
    "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    To characterize any religion (especially any Abrahamic religion) as a "religion of war" or a "religion of peace" is a gross oversimplification of reality.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    To characterize any religion (especially any Abrahamic religion) as a "religion of war" or a "religion of peace" is a gross oversimplification of reality.
    I disagree. I think the Abrahamic faiths are uniformly, fundamentally, barbaric. My only criticism is that Islam is being unfairly singled out.
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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    I disagree. I think the Abrahamic faiths are uniformly, fundamentally, barbaric. My only criticism is that Islam is being unfairly singled out.
    What makes (or doesn't make) a religion "fundamentally warlike" or "peaceful?" Is a religion purely defined by its texts, its practitioners, or both?
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scanner View Post
    FALSE ! It is an ideology of war and genocide. This is inherent in the ideology itself (all through the Koran). The people you refer to as having hijacked it, have not done that at all. They are following the words of the Koran faithfully. It is the Koran, Islam itself that is the war element.
    And how might you describe those who follow the words of the Bible faithfully?

    The word "insane" would probably show up quite often.

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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What makes (or doesn't make) a religion "fundamentally warlike" or "peaceful?" Is a religion purely defined by its texts, its practitioners, or both?
    It depends on what context you're using.

    If you're referring to the faith, itself, the belief system, that's based on the tenets laid out by the central texts. We can compare these. All religion is insane, but some are markedly less destructive, for fairly obvious reasons. It would be highly unlikely that a mass conversion to Jainism, Tibetan Buddhism, or Quakerism would be accompanied by a tidal wave of violence, for fairly obvious reasons. Unfortunately, the central Abrahamic texts are simply loaded with exhortations to commit atrocities. Therefore; we can't be entirely surprised that their adherents have a higher predisposition towards violent, antisocial behavior.
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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    It depends on the version.

    Which version is most civil/humane?

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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It depends on the version.

    Which version is most civil/humane?
    I don't know what you mean by 'version.' There might be minute differences between translations, but one shouldn't expect any significent differences. The problem is the ideas within, not the way they are presented.
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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    It depends on what context you're using.

    If you're referring to the faith, itself, the belief system, that's based on the tenets laid out by the central texts. We can compare these. All religion is insane, but some are markedly less destructive, for fairly obvious reasons. It would be highly unlikely that a mass conversion to Jainism, Tibetan Buddhism, or Quakerism would be accompanied by a tidal wave of violence, for fairly obvious reasons. Unfortunately, the central Abrahamic texts are simply loaded with exhortations to commit atrocities. Therefore; we can't be entirely surprised that their adherents have a higher predisposition towards violent, antisocial behavior.
    I pretty much agree with everything you've said here, although I don't believe that this somehow makes the Abrahamic religions fundamentally or inherently barbaric. After all, on the flip side scriptures in all three also echo some form of the Golden Rule and "love your fellow man."

    Also, the three faiths you listed aren't really proselytizing religions (or at the very least not to the degree that the Abrahamic faiths are). That's also an important distinction, and makes me wonder if posing the hypothetical of a mass conversion to any of those religions even makes sense.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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