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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Islam is not inherently evil or a religion of war. It's a religion, the same as any other we have. Invented by man for purposes of man, it has the same benefits and pitfalls as any other religion in this world. How it is used isn't so much by the demands of the religion as much as it is actions of man.
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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Islam is not inherently evil or a religion of war. It's a religion, the same as any other we have. Invented by man for purposes of man, it has the same benefits and pitfalls as any other religion in this world. How it is used isn't so much by the demands of the religion as much as it is actions of man.
    In this its purposes were those of a conqueror. Honestly, now, there's no need to be politically-correct about history. Islam was established by a conqueror and has been spread almost entirely through conquest. To call it a religion of war is acknowledging its history. I do not think this makes it inherently evil, but calling it a religion of peace is just bull**** honestly.
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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    Every religion is a religion of war.
    This is stupid and ignorant.

    Holy books all legitimize a certain measure of violence. They also legitmize peace in a larger capacity. But people do prefer to demonize religion dont they? I don't know what's worse, the radicals who use specific versus to deliver violence or the radicals who seek to deny the overwhelming good will that comes from religious versus. Ignorance is celebrated by both parties.
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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Very easy to answer the initial question.
    No Religion is evil.
    All adherents of every Religion are evil.

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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Surely you know the practitioners of a religion typically do not follow closely the tenets of their religion. In the case of Christianity straying from the path is a bad thing, with Islam it is a good thing because Islam advocates oppression and war thus straying from it means being more tolerant and peaceful.
    That is a nice opinionated statement.

    Also, the difference between the situations you mention is that the first Crusades were purely defensive in nature. In the Spanish conquests of the Americas Christianity was not so much spread by war as by colonization itself. Most of the population of the former Spanish colonies are either dominantly Spanish or mixed. As such it is only natural for Christianity to be the dominant belief system there.
    All of the eight crusades were offensive as they were launched from Europe to the M.E. and designed to take back Jerusalem from the Muslims. The Spanish conquests were not entirely religious, but due to their relgious beliefs, they felt empowered to do and take what they wanted from the heathen natives. Christianity is the dominate religion because it was forced on the natives.

    more to the point religion was not tied up with the Spanish invasion as much as it was with the Arab invasions.
    Not at all... it was simply not as overt.
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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    In this its purposes were those of a conqueror. Honestly, now, there's no need to be politically-correct about history. Islam was established by a conqueror and has been spread almost entirely through conquest. To call it a religion of war is acknowledging its history. I do not think this makes it inherently evil, but calling it a religion of peace is just bull**** honestly.
    A religion is what the people of it are... if they are peaceful then it is a religion of peace. A religion is not a stagnant entity, it can and does evolve just like the US Constitution can and does. Islam began by a warlord, true. Also irrelevant. It spread by fighters attempting to conquer, as did Christianity in the New World. This issue needs perspective, in all honesty.
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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is a nice opinionated statement.
    I would say it is only opinionated if you think "turn the other cheek" is bad or that "kill the idolaters wherever you find them" is good.

    All of the eight crusades were offensive as they were launched from Europe to the M.E. and designed to take back Jerusalem from the Muslims.
    Aside from the fact not all of the Crusades even targeted Muslims it was only offensive in the sense that it was a counter-offensive. Muslim armies kept advancing and this was responsible for the first three crusades. After the fourth crusade, which did not target Muslims, they were offensive, but they were also failures for the most part.

    The Spanish conquests were not entirely religious, but due to their relgious beliefs, they felt empowered to do and take what they wanted from the heathen natives. Christianity is the dominate religion because it was forced on the natives.
    Not really. As I said most people in Latin America are either of primarily Spanish heritage or a mixture of native and Spanish. The U.S. and Canada are primarily Christian, but not because we converted the natives.

    Not at all... it was simply not as overt.
    Religion wasn't really relevant to it at all. The Spanish were looking for land and riches.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    A religion is what the people of it are... if they are peaceful then it is a religion of peace. A religion is not a stagnant entity, it can and does evolve just like the US Constitution can and does. Islam began by a warlord, true. Also irrelevant. It spread by fighters attempting to conquer, as did Christianity in the New World. This issue needs perspective, in all honesty.
    I don't agree with that sort of distinction. A religion is defined by those teachings that constitute its central tenets. Christianity is defined first and foremost by the teachings of Jesus Christ just as Buddhism is defined first and foremost by the teachings of Buddha. Islam is defined first and foremost by the teachings of Muhammad. Muslims would have to reject substantial parts of Muhammad's teachings to reconcile any support of a peaceful and tolerant Islamic faith. That to me says all that needs to be said about how one should characterize Islam.
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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    There are few converts to Islam in the Western world, it is almost entirely immigration that contributes to the growing Muslim population. Immigration from countries or areas that had long ago been converted by conquest.
    Few converts eh?
    Any source for that claim?

    And so? I still don't see the big deal Islam spread some through war, get over it. I'm sure the victims 2,000 years ago are very grateful over the concern you express ....


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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I don't agree with that sort of distinction. A religion is defined by those teachings that constitute its central tenets. Christianity is defined first and foremost by the teachings of Jesus Christ just as Buddhism is defined first and foremost by the teachings of Buddha. Islam is defined first and foremost by the teachings of Muhammad. Muslims would have to reject substantial parts of Muhammad's teachings to reconcile any support of a peaceful and tolerant Islamic faith. That to me says all that needs to be said about how one should characterize Islam.
    Islam is defined by the holy text. That is what makes up alot of what is Islam and always will.
    Prophet Mohammed is just one more Prophet in a line of Messengers of God.

    Jesus is more important by role in Islam than Prophet Mohammed ever will be


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    Re: Is Islam evil/a religion of war?

    They fight to defend their oil resources from Western multinationals. Therefore, their religion must be evil?

    I don't understand this way of rationalizing colonialism. Someone please explain what Mohamed has to do with the West destroying Iraqi and Afghan societies?

    Also, there's a lot of fake history in this thread.

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