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    Re: A tax credit for a product means no one wants to buy it

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Back during the first oil embargo, my neighbors were trading in paid for "gas guzzlers" for little japanese cars. I tried to talk some of them out of it, to no avail. Where I screwed up, tho, was not buying some of those gas guzzlers. There were some really nice high performance cars going for cheap....
    If the CfC program was being offered *after* I paid off my truck I'd jump on it.
    Sadly - tis not so. . .I kind of got stuck with it. . . but when the program was in swing I looked into ti - there just aren't very many option for large-family vehicles that qualify as 'efficient' - you have a lot of people = crappy gas mileage, no way around it.

    If I could go back in time I'd get a different vehicle but it would be the same story - 5 years ago there were no fuel efficient or hybrids at the used carlot.
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    Re: A tax credit for a product means no one wants to buy it

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    Rush is always wrong.
    I am sorry, but this comment bothers me. It is impossible for someone to always be wrong. The moment Rush says something like "I had breakfast this morning" he was right about something.

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    Re: A tax credit for a product means no one wants to buy it

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If the CfC program was being offered *after* I paid off my truck I'd jump on it.
    Sadly - tis not so. . .I kind of got stuck with it. . . but when the program was in swing I looked into ti - there just aren't very many option for large-family vehicles that qualify as 'efficient' - you have a lot of people = crappy gas mileage, no way around it.

    If I could go back in time I'd get a different vehicle but it would be the same story - 5 years ago there were no fuel efficient or hybrids at the used carlot.

    There was a time that most car makers offered up gas misers, but they just didn't sell very well. Those cars would have a small engine, manual overdrive transmission, manual steering, and very few options that added weight. Americans didn't want them at that time. Now most cars are fuel efficient, but too complicated repair wise, and too costly. What ever happened to SIMPLE?
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    Re: A tax credit for a product means no one wants to buy it

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Now most cars are fuel efficient, but too complicated repair wise, and too costly. What ever happened to SIMPLE?
    The largest part of that has to do with the EPA emissions standards that forced the car companies to dump the carb and go to EFI.

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    Re: A tax credit for a product means no one wants to buy it

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The largest part of that has to do with the EPA emissions standards that forced the car companies to dump the carb and go to EFI.
    Computer controlled EFI is a good thing, but mostly for emissions improvements. There was one item of old technology that could have been applied long before EFI that improved MPG a lot, and that is the overdrive transmission. Beats me why the govt had to force the car makers to do the right things. Long term results are good, though. Now we need to work on getting our buildings more energy efficient, and less polluting, but it can be done without tax credits or even new technology. We just need to have stricter building codes that are aimed at using existing building methods and materials to lessen the energy usage of buildings.
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    Re: A tax credit for a product means no one wants to buy it

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Computer controlled EFI is a good thing, but mostly for emissions improvements.
    Well, yeah -- but that leads to the 'complication' you talked about.

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    Re: A tax credit for a product means no one wants to buy it

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Well, yeah -- but that leads to the 'complication' you talked about.
    Comparing my 79 volare wagon with 318, 4bbl carb, auto trans, and 2.45 rear axle to my 95 dakota, with 318, EFI, auto trans with OD, and 3.55 rear axle, I got about the same mileage. The dakota axle ratio, with the tranny in OD, was effectivelly the same as the volare 2.45 ratio. Of course, the dakota had tighter emissions standards, but fact remains, you can get good MPG without EFI.
    Both vehicles were almost the same in weight...
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