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Thread: Is this case of forcing values that goes against religion wrong?

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    Re: Is this case of forcing values that goes against religion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I don't think there making them stop. There just saying that they can't deny adoption to gay people.
    But then they will have to stop or find some accomodation because of the church's stance against homosexuality. The biggest losers are the kids and potential adoptive parents...
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    Re: Is this case of forcing values that goes against religion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But then they will have to stop or find some accomodation because of the church's stance against homosexuality. The biggest losers are the kids and potential adoptive parents...
    This is correct. If Catholic Care adopts to gay couples, the church will pull funding and connections with them. What the commission who rules on this found was that this would not have a significant effect on the ability of people to get adopted children, and children to be adopted.

    I am still looking, and not finding, whether Catholic Care takes money from the UK government, or if this is administering an overall UK federal program. Can any one help me find this info?
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    Re: Is this case of forcing values that goes against religion wrong?

    I agree with this; the government has policies that any agency (religious or not) would have to follow. If the group does not wish to follow it, then they don't have to participate.

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    Re: Is this case of forcing values that goes against religion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    A Roman Catholic adoption charity's appeal to be allowed to discriminate against gay people wanting it to place children with them has been rejected.

    Catholic Care wanted exemption from new anti-discrimination laws so it could limit services provided to homosexual couples on religious grounds.

    The Charity Commission said gay people were suitable parents and religious views did not justify discrimination.

    BBC News - Catholic charity's appeal over gay adoption fails

    I would personally love to hear what you guys have to say.
    If it's a private adoption agency which helps couples find a child for them; then they should be free to do as they like. If it were a government run adoption agency; then no. But as far as I see in this case, the Catholic Church should have been free to refuse its service to people they don't want to serve.
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    Re: Is this case of forcing values that goes against religion wrong?

    This happened in the UK, so its impossible to argue this one way or the other w/o knowledge of the relevant laws, etc.

    In the US...
    If said organization was operating with completely private funds, it has the right to refuse its services to anyone. If it was operating with state funds, then it cannot.

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    Re: Is this case of forcing values that goes against religion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    A Roman Catholic adoption charity's appeal to be allowed to discriminate against gay people wanting it to place children with them has been rejected.

    Catholic Care wanted exemption from new anti-discrimination laws so it could limit services provided to homosexual couples on religious grounds.

    The Charity Commission said gay people were suitable parents and religious views did not justify discrimination.

    BBC News - Catholic charity's appeal over gay adoption fails

    I would personally love to hear what you guys have to say.
    I believe in free association of the individual, business and charity.

    I don't care if they discriminate against anyone, although I do think it hinders their ability to place a child in a loving home.
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    Re: Is this case of forcing values that goes against religion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This happened in the UK, so its impossible to argue this one way or the other w/o knowledge of the relevant laws, etc.

    In the US...
    If said organization was operating with completely private funds, it has the right to refuse its services to anyone. If it was operating with state funds, then it cannot.
    As best I can tell from the reading I have been doing on this, they are bound by the law(I forget it's name now) that protects against discrimination based on sexual orientation, that was enacted due to a EU proclamation. To get an exemption based on religion, they have to make a very strong case, and the commission rules that they did not succeed in doing so. I can if you want did up links to the relevant laws.
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    Re: Is this case of forcing values that goes against religion wrong?

    Obviously, enthusiasm within these Catholic adoption agencies will suffer as a result. No one, regardless of the issue, enjoys having pertinent issues--concerning the running of your institution--taken out of your hands.

    I can only hope the judge weighed the lost enthusiasm--and subsequent dereliction of service concerning the most vulnerable in our society--against the supposed benefits of allowing these orphanages to be sued.

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    Re: Is this case of forcing values that goes against religion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    People are voluntarily placing their children with this Catholic agency to handle the adoptions. I suspect that the parents place their children with them because they want their children to be raised Catholic.
    People who aren't going to raise their own children shouldn't get any say in how those children will be raised.

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    Re: Is this case of forcing values that goes against religion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    People who aren't going to raise their own children shouldn't get any say in how those children will be raised.
    I disagree. Placing a child with a family is a gift.

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