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Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

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JohnWOlin said:
Let me give it to you in a simple term. You ever seen something on TV and thought "Oh why didn't I think of that?" It makes perfect sense. If people didn't think like that we wouldn't be where we are today technologically nor as a society.
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Do you even recall what you said?

JohnWOlin said:
Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?
I'm reminded by something my grandfather once told me, "Give people something they need and can't live without but don't know they already need it." Whoever can do that gains my respect.
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Before I go further, do we both distinguish the difference between WANT and NEED? I don't NEED that ridiculous contraption on television. My bodily survival does not depend on a girdle that will give me six-pack abs by knocking my testicles around.
 
If I have to pick I'd say the businessman. Businessmen create jobs and products.
 
ElijahGalt said:
Do you even recall what you said?



Before I go further, do we both distinguish the difference between WANT and NEED? I don't NEED that ridiculous contraption on television. My bodily survival does not depend on a girdle that will give me six-pack abs by knocking my testicles around.
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Maybe you just don't understand the power of good business and blurring the line between need and wanting?
 
ElijahGalt said:
Is it hard to admire firefighters for being firefighters? Or paramedics, doctors, nurses, teachers, police officers, etc? Is it difficult NOT to admire dictators, crack dealers, etc?
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Let's say there's a firefighter who goes home and beats his wife and molests his kids. I don't admire this person, regardless of his occupation. He's a piece of ****.

Now let's say there is another guy who got laid off from his job and is having so much trouble making ends meet his kids are starving. He's at the end of his rope, so he decides that dealing crack and risking his life and freedom is worth it to keep his kids' belly full. I don't agree with his choice, but I do admire the fact that he's willing to do whatever it takes for his kids.
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
Teachers. Duh.
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No they dont. They teach kids whats in a text book. Similar to a corporate trainer, a music instructor or a tutor. I cant say they are building a Country. They teach subjects. That is their role. The builders of minds are the parents friends and family.
 
ElijahGalt said:
And what productivity are you referring to?
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The creation of, the maintenance of, and the amending of the state. Without a state (or substituted authority), we would live in chaos, but instead we have a state that proposes to have the twin goals of providing the best it can for the commonwealth as well as protection of the minority from the tyranny of the majority. We do not have to like what each politician does, but the suggestion that all he/she does is talk is ridiculous and goes against the poster's well-known post history.
 
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The Giant Noodle said:
No they dont. They teach kids whats in a text book. Similar to a corporate trainer, a music instructor or a tutor. I cant say they are building a Country. They teach subjects. That is their role. The builders of minds are the parents friends and family.
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Teachers do much more than teach what is in a textbook. I would say its 40% what is in a textbook and 60% understanding the childs problems, teaching them how to stay in line, and teaching them to get along, etc
 
Like everything else, there are poor teachers, average teachers, good teachers, and excellent teachers. The latter half do much more than what is in the textbook. To say otherwise is completely foolish.
 
ElijahGalt said:
Is it difficult NOT to admire dictators, crack dealers, etc?
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Well, you're putting the ridiculousness of your own question into the light here. A dictator is a politician, and a crack dealer is a businessman.

You can't really compare people like that just based on what they do. There are both good and bad politicians, and good and bad businessmen, so just saying which do you admire more, a politician or a businessman, is not answerable. You could be comparing Hitler to Warren Buffet. Or you could be comparing Abraham Lincoln to Bernard Madoff.
 
The lack of context makes this a stupid and useless question
 
Depends. The politician could be a great statesman like Washington or Jefferson, or it could be someone like William Harding or U.S. Grant. The businessman could be someone like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, or it could be someone like Kenneth Lay. It all depends.
 
chevydriver1123 said:
The Businessman because the at the very least the sob did something productive for society, all the politician does is run his or her big ****ing mouth.
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necessary evils are never to be admired, merely tolerated and that is what politicians are
 
megaprogman said:
The lack of context makes this a stupid and useless question
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But with regards to the role of the person involved, presupposing they do it correctly, which do you personally prefer?
 
Fiddytree said:
But with regards to the role of the person involved, presupposing they do it correctly, which do you personally prefer?
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Both equally as they both have a role to play for society.

(It would have been nice of the OP had asked it this way)
 
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ElijahGalt said:
What does the politician live for? What does the politician strive for? What does the politician obsess about? What ONE thing must the politician always consider in order to remain in his profession?

THE VOTE.

What the busnessman live for? Strive for? Obsess about? Does maintaining his occupation rely on consideration of a single entity or multiple entities?

BANKRUPTCY; PROFIT; COSTS; SAVINGS; INVESTMENT; LOANS; RISKS, etc

Remember that the next time a politician promises you your own personal pony.
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At the same time many of these concerns travel to the politician's occupation and impact that vote, even if those criteria are nearly out of his or her control or factor into governing styles, amendments, and so forth.
 
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I don't admire or not-admire people based solely on their occupation.
 
rivrrat said:
I don't admire or not-admire people based solely on their occupation.
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And I don't have much respect for the opinion of anyone who would. I known "admirable" people from a myriad of walks of life and real jerks with similar histories.
 
Fiddytree said:
And yet you spend much of your time complaining about politicians for what they are productively doing for society.
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Tell me how starting wars, crushing civil liberties, excessive regulations for business is productive for society?

TurtleDude said:
necessary evils are never to be admired, merely tolerated and that is what politicians are
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Exactly
 
My interpretation of the question was which profession you admire more. Not an actual person.
 
Johnny said:
Crack dealers are just supplying a demand and making money the best way they can given their circumstances. :)
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Of course, their circumstances are totally beyond their control, right?
 
UtahBill said:
Of course, their circumstances are totally beyond their control, right?
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Sometimes, yes. You can't controll getting laid off or other major setbacks. When you grow up and see all the law abiding citizens in your neighborhood busting their ass working 2 jobs and barely surviving and on the other hand see the drug dealers with nice cars, nice clothes, nice things it distots reality.

I'm not saying it's right but it is what it is.

If there wasn't a demand for the drugs dealers wouldn't sell it. They don't force people to buy drugs.
 
ElijahGalt said:
Is it hard to admire firefighters for being firefighters? Or paramedics, doctors, nurses, teachers, police officers, etc? Is it difficult NOT to admire dictators, crack dealers, etc?
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I don't know - did the firefighter set the blaze before he went to fight, killing a child and her mother?
Is the Doctor a quack working out of a storage shed?
Do the nurses secretly kill their patients?
Do the teachers molest their students?
Are police officers under-the-table thugs acceptign a blind eye to crime?

Is the minister a pedophile?
The blood-splatter-analyst a serial killer?

Is the crack dealer only a crack dealer because it's the life that thug Mom and Dad thrust him into when he was 10 to satisfy their own drug habits?
Dictators - again, some are bad and some are good.

Occupation doesn't mean a ****ing thing, apparently.

Oddly - I could think of more real-life examples of a "bad" cop/officer/lawyer/judge/politican/priest/teacher than I could good examples of a crack dealer/gangster/rapist.

Seems that crime is afoot and comes in all colors.
 
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