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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    The best way to measure the economic growth of the middle class is to define the amount of time it takes for the average to obtain various materials. How many hours of labor did it take the average working man or woman to obtain a cell phone? Only the rich could afford them in the 1980s, and now even the most poorest of souls have service. How many poor souls had air-conditioning and heating in their homes just twenty years ago? How many had Internet? How many have connection today? How many hours of labor did it take to obtain an item is a far more pragmatic measuring system.

    If you are underpaid, then go somewhere where the market demands your services. The market dictates prices, based on the conscious decisions of multi-billions of people. If your labor is only worth so much, then get a new skill or go somewhere they'll pay you more. No one sulking in his or her own misery ever achieved success.
    If you're going to say that today's middle class is wealthier than the middle class of 10 years ago because today's middle class can afford cellphones while the middle class of 10 years ago couldn't, then you know much less about economics and industry than you let on.

    The reason why the middle class of today can afford cellphones isn't because they are wealthier - it is because the costs of manufacturing cellphones has been reduced. This occurs naturally as industry finds efficiencies in manufacturing a single product.

    The reason why the middle class can afford automobiles isn't because the middle class is wealthier than the middle class of the 1910's - it is because automobiles are now built on a robotic assembly line instead of each being handcrafted by several highly trained technicians, mechanics, and engineers.

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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If you were underpaid, why didn't you seek alternative employment that earned you more money?

    If you did seek alternative employment that paid more, and you did not find it, that means the market was paying you what you were worth.

    Ergo, you were not underpaid.
    There were times when I was promised more money, for doing a better job than my coworkers, but they failed to deliver. I complained, told them I would be looking for another job within the company. They said they weren't worried, that kind of thing takes time. So I found another job in the next week, and was gone the week after. They missed me every time the more complicated instruments needed repair, I know, because the coworkers called me and asked for help. I helped a few times then got amnesia. Did that a few more times over the years, but the last time was a mistake. I left a job that, in hindsight, was the best job I ever had. The foreman was a scumbag, but the job was great, and coworkers were great as well. I moved to a job where the leads, the supervisor, and even the senior techs were almost all scumbags.
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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    But really, who benefits the collective good of a society MORE? Who BUILDS America from the bottom up?
    The small businessman/woman working in a free market are the most beneficial to our country.

    I hate that collective good thing. It sounds like socialism and taking from the haves and giving to the have nots.

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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    If you're going to say that today's middle class is wealthier than the middle class of 10 years ago because today's middle class can afford cellphones while the middle class of 10 years ago couldn't, then you know much less about economics and industry than you let on.

    The reason why the middle class of today can afford cellphones isn't because they are wealthier - it is because the costs of manufacturing cellphones has been reduced. This occurs naturally as industry finds efficiencies in manufacturing a single product.

    The reason why the middle class can afford automobiles isn't because the middle class is wealthier than the middle class of the 1910's - it is because automobiles are now built on a robotic assembly line instead of each being handcrafted by several highly trained technicians, mechanics, and engineers.
    I don't understand why it is so unbelievable to measure the growth of middle class wealth based on the pricing system that directly affects the purchasing power of the middle class, and the innovating market factors. So, what way would you describe the middle class? Poor people don't have to suffer without air-conditioning and heating like they used to. Some even enjoy cable tv. How has the standard of living decreased, in any way, when the middle class are living better than kings did in the 17th century?

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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    I don't understand why it is so unbelievable to measure the growth of middle class wealth based on the pricing system that directly affects the purchasing power of the middle class, and the innovating market factors. So, what way would you describe the middle class? Poor people don't have to suffer without air-conditioning and heating like they used to. Some even enjoy cable tv. How has the standard of living decreased, in any way, when the middle class are living better than kings did in the 17th century?
    Your statements are a disfigurement of the truth. I am not saying that there has been a decrease of the standard of living. I'm saying that you shouldn't get industrial efficiencies that make products cheaper confused with a middle class and the poor who are wealthier. It is quite disingenuous to the facts and the issues that the middle class and poor have to face.

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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    I'm just curious. Which do you admire MORE?
    Terrible question. I can't admire some businesspeople and some politicians? I can't despise some businesspeople and some politicians?

    This is yet another sign of the foolishness of the black-and-white thinking that is dragging our nation down.

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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Your statements are a disfigurement of the truth. I am not saying that there has been a decrease of the standard of living. I'm saying that you shouldn't get industrial efficiencies that make products cheaper confused with a middle class and the poor who are wealthier. It is quite disingenuous to the facts and the issues that the middle class and poor have to face.
    But what is the point of discussing the diminishing wealth of the middle and working class if the actual standard of living as improved? Isn't it a distortion of the truth to reiterate the common tale of the wealthy getting wealthier at the poor's expense? People who say that aways take things for granted.

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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Terrible question. I can't admire some businesspeople and some politicians? I can't despise some businesspeople and some politicians?

    This is yet another sign of the foolishness of the black-and-white thinking that is dragging our nation down.
    Of course you can. But, do you have an occupation? Did your current position within that occupation develop out of a curiosity, and admiration, of that line of work?

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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    I voted for "Businessman" because, in general, I would be more likely to admire a businessman than a politician.

    But the question (and my response) is far too generalized to get any meaningful answer out of.

    Ask a general and vague question, expect a general and vague answer - or for people to dream up multiple versions of your question and answer those.

    Of course, that could have been the whole point....
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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Terrible question. I can't admire some businesspeople and some politicians? I can't despise some businesspeople and some politicians?

    This is yet another sign of the foolishness of the black-and-white thinking that is dragging our nation down.
    You can't simply infer that he meant in general?

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