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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Wow! Two people! Keep going...
    I could name plenty more, but I doubt you would agree with me. Since your expectations are extremely high (from my perspective) I was looking for some that would pass your muster. There probably are few.

    However, from my perspective we have:
    Clinton
    Obama
    Reagan
    JFK
    FDR
    Teddy Roosevelt
    Lincoln
    Eisenhower
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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I could name plenty more, but I doubt you would agree with me. Since your expectations are extremely high (from my perspective) I was looking for some that would pass your muster. There probably are few.

    However, from my perspective we have:
    Clinton
    Obama
    Reagan
    JFK
    FDR
    Teddy Roosevelt
    Lincoln
    Eisenhower
    Darn it! I was hoping you would name Calvin Coolidge. :-)

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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Governments can set a standard of weights and measures, and this was the Qing Dynasty's greatest achievement. But it is not required in order to create society.
    I never claimed it was. But, when it comes to commerce, it helps.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    A taxation system does not allow for the construction of basic infrastructure. It allows for the rule of law to be enforced. Taxation, in largely other forms, simply takes away the earnings of one set of citizens in order to distribute largesse to another set of citizens. Taxation NEVER builds, it only takes away.
    So tell me why private enterprise would be better at providing something like flood control? How would a private company get the money (perhaps hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars) to acquire all of the necessary land to build a system of channels, dams, and reservoirs in order to keep a city or region from flooding? Where would they get the money from to maintain the system, and how would they make a profit?
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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I never claimed it was. But, when it comes to commerce, it helps.



    So tell me why private enterprise would be better at providing something like flood control? How would a private company get the money (perhaps hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars) to acquire all of the necessary land to build a system of channels, dams, and reservoirs in order to keep a city or region from flooding? Where would they get the money from to maintain the system, and how would they make a profit?
    That last paragraph, you bring up a delightful question. Just reflect on WHO rebuilt S.F. following the devastating quake in 1906 that left the entire city destroyed. Was it government, or rich, greedy, profit-driven N.Y. bankers?

    And btw, you said setting a standard of weights and measures allows society (or the infrastructure of society) to be built, implying there is no other way. And yes, it does help. I'm not completely against government setting certain standards (like mint and weights and measures). But the rate at which the federal government dictates our life is not headed in the right direction, IMHO.

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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    So tell me why private enterprise would be better at providing something like flood control? How would a private company get the money (perhaps hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars) to acquire all of the necessary land to build a system of channels, dams, and reservoirs in order to keep a city or region from flooding? Where would they get the money from to maintain the system, and how would they make a profit?
    Only a company that could buy up a lot of the surrounding land and so make money by keeping up those dams and resovoirs. Otherwise, people would live in other areas.

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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Only a company that could buy up a lot of the surrounding land and so make money by keeping up those dams and resovoirs. Otherwise, people would live in other areas.
    When the transcontinental railroad was built, the govt gave away alternate sections of land to the builders. Imagine if we did that today, give some private road builder half the land adjaceant to it.
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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    When the transcontinental railroad was built, the govt gave away alternate sections of land to the builders. Imagine if we did that today, give some private road builder half the land adjaceant to it.
    Or imagine if the states allowed companies to toll their roads as they like. What the government did to the Dulles Greenway is a shame.

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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Or imagine if the states allowed companies to toll their roads as they like. What the government did to the Dulles Greenway is a shame.
    This could be an issue if someone is charging way too much for a road and its the only effective route between two places. We both don't trust the government, I trust private corporations even less than I trust the government.
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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    This could be an issue if someone is charging way too much for a road and its the only effective route between two places. We both don't trust the government, I trust private corporations even less than I trust the government.
    I need to dig it up, but there was a case in the 1800s where a trade dispute over a rail line seriously hurt a city and caused some major suffering due to backlogged shipments.

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    Re: Who is more ADMIRABLE, the POLITICIAN or the BUSINESSMAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    This could be an issue if someone is charging way too much for a road and its the only effective route between two places. We both don't trust the government, I trust private corporations even less than I trust the government.
    And I always wonder WHY, considering the track record of both. Governments, throughout history, have made things more complicated for the common man and woman and they simply make life more difficult. Private corporations have consistently offered us newer, better, cheaper products that make our lives easier, and we continue to hate them more than government.

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