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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Actually, you can't be sued for releasing trade secrets.
    Yeah tell that to someone that has actually come pretty close to getting sued for releasing trade secrets.

    @Winston also I'm not sure if you knew this or not but several operatives we have in Afghanistan had their names leaked, and what happens when they are retaliated against? The military loses an informant and a friend, as well as another civilian life. Is some of what is in there ****ty? Yeah, but I'm more for making this war end asap rather than doing anything that could delay it even further. Plus like I said, **** this guy that's why.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Second, free speech does have limits, and classified material is included in those limits. No one is questioning whether the guy who released the info to him is guilty of a crime, but free speech would apply just as well to him.
    Is publishing classified information that you got from a third party illegal? I know that it was illegal for Manning to leak the material to Assange, but once Assange had it is there any law in the US that would prevent him from publishing it? The only comparable case I know of was the indictment of the NYTimes officials during the Pentagon Papers spat, and those charges were dropped for reasons unrealated to the legality of publishing of classified materials

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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Is publishing classified information that you got from a third party illegal? I know that it was illegal for Manning to leak the material to Assange, but once Assange had it is there any law in the US that would prevent him from publishing it? The only comparable case I know of was the indictment of the NYTimes officials during the Pentagon Papers spat, and those charges were dropped for reasons unrealated to the legality of publishing of classified materials
    Probably not illegal for him where he is at the very least.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    To clarify, the original leaker of a trade secret can be sued, not because the information is secret per se but because they've probably engaged in an unfair business practice. But once the information is out, it's fair game for journalists or anyone else. You can't be sued just for publishing it.
    Well then, that just proves my point. To pursue Assange would be a major violation of free media and free speech. Thank you for clarifying that dude.
    Let him leak the details. It's unfortunate, and i may not agree with what he is doing, but he is NOT a criminal.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    I don't blame him for our country's failure to keep classified information classified.

    He should never have even had the opportunity to release the info.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    It's free speech mate. You either support it or you dont. Which is it?
    Free speech doesn't cover everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There's your key. Your 'our' doesn't include him. He has nothing invested in US military concerns, nor, as an Australian, should he be expected to have.
    Which is why he couldn't be prosecuted for treason. However, I imagine that in the course of obtaining this information, he's probably run afoul of some other laws related to conspiring to commit a crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Is publishing classified information that you got from a third party illegal? I know that it was illegal for Manning to leak the material to Assange, but once Assange had it is there any law in the US that would prevent him from publishing it? The only comparable case I know of was the indictment of the NYTimes officials during the Pentagon Papers spat, and those charges were dropped for reasons unrealated to the legality of publishing of classified materials
    It's quite likely to be illegal if the person publishing the information played a part in obtaining the information.

    In the NYT case, the reporters were just passive bystanders who had this information dumped on them. They neither encouraged nor assisted Ellsburg in gathering it. In contrast, I would bet that full disclosure of wikileaks activity would reveal that they encouraged sources to break the law by gathering information illegally or perhaps even helped those sources with some of the more technical aspects of it. If true, that would certainly open them to prosecution.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    However, I imagine that in the course of obtaining this information, he's probably run afoul of some other laws related to conspiring to commit a crime.
    But under which jurisdiction? I know nothing about Australia's extradition treaties, but as a rule they don't apply to crimes defined by one state that aren't crimes in the other. So, unless he's committed a crime under Australian law, he wouldn't be extraditable, would he?

    Unrelated example: abortion is illegal in Ireland, many irish women travel to the UK for terminations. If they remain in the UK, the Irish judiciary cannot seek their extradition, even if they contracted the abortion whilst still in ireland, and hence committed a crime there.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    We are living smack dab in the middle of the information age. Sometimes it's a good thing, sometimes not. Top secret information doesn't get leaked. This is lower level stuff.

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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    We are living smack dab in the middle of the information age. Sometimes it's a good thing, sometimes not. Top secret information doesn't get leaked. This is lower level stuff.
    Yeah I agree with this. What many people don't know is that Assange claims that he isn't even the founder of the site, and he's one of many members of a panel that all have a say in the website's administration. He's the face of Wikileaks and so he attracts a lot of attention. And he looks like the bad guy from Die Hard, which may be part of why people hate him so much.

    Wikileaks has been at the center of many controversies. Most of what they've published has nothing to do with the United States, and their existence could just as easily stop a nuclear weapons program in the Middle East as it could derail the war in Afghanistan. Maybe you could take Assange down, but if we had already done that, these documents could have been leaked by a different website that refused to hold back 15,000 documents.

    That's why the main objective for our government relating to Wikileaks should and will be having a good relationship with its panel and ensuring that they allow for some leaks to be published in exchange for holding back certain documents or details that could harm innocent people.
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