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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Ha I like how you bring up the option "You either like free speech or you don't......even if there is a chance it could **** up **** further in Afghanistan"
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Ha I like how you bring up the option "You either like free speech or you don't......even if there is a chance it could **** up **** further in Afghanistan"
    OK lets crush all dissent and lock up this wikileaks guy until we finish up in Afghanistan.
    Free speech has its consequences, you need to know that.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Usually leaking sensitive government information does too.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Usually leaking sensitive government information does too.
    Then there just going to have to change there plans, aren't they?
    I dont know why only the top officials do not have exclusive access to this information but something is clearly fundamentally wrong with the security here.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Not treason, but the guy is certainly a propagandist asshole. I'll never understand why so many people are so eager to see our security undermined.
    There's your key. Your 'our' doesn't include him. He has nothing invested in US military concerns, nor, as an Australian, should he be expected to have.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    It's free speech mate. You either support it or you dont. Which is it?

    Well then, this guy reserves the right to do whatever the hell he wants with the information, the best the US can do is punish those who leaked it to him severely and stop taking the piss out of the freedom of information act, like hiding civilian deaths, which is just downright wrong. It serves the US right. On the other hand, the information which will disrupt operations and risk the lives of soldiers will just need to be re-evaluated.
    First, he is not in the US, so the first amendment does not apply to him.

    Second, free speech does have limits, and classified material is included in those limits. No one is questioning whether the guy who released the info to him is guilty of a crime, but free speech would apply just as well to him.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Everyone knows that 99 percent of these "secrets" are classified because they're embarrassing, not because they endanger national security. Assange held back 15,000 of the documents and asked the White House to check the rest of them to see whether there was anything that would endanger anyone's life, so the government has no right to criticize him on those grounds.
    He has already released information and names that put people's lives at risk. Source: Afghan informants&#039; lives at risk from documents posted on WikiLeaks | The Australian

    Among the documents is a report from 2008 that includes a detailed interview with a Taliban fighter considering defection. He is named, with both his father's name and village included. There is also detailed intelligence on other Taliban fighters and commanders in his area. The Times has withheld all details that would identify the man.

    The man names local Taliban commanders and talks about other potential defectors. "The meeting ended with [X] agreeing to meet with intel personnel from the battalion," the report reads. It is not known whether the man subsequently left the Taliban.

    In other documents, named Afghans offered information accusing others of being Taliban. In one case from 2007, a senior official accuses named figures in the government of corruption. In another from 2007, a report describes using a middleman to talk to an alleged Taliban commander who is identified.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    First, he is not in the US, so the first amendment does not apply to him.
    Freedom of expression exists in Australia too.

    Second, free speech does have limits, and classified material is included in those limits. No one is questioning whether the guy who released the info to him is guilty of a crime, but free speech would apply just as well to him.
    America has perverted the definition of free speech, elements of hate crime and "free speech zones" being some of the best known examples of this. This information was leaked to him, that person commit ed a crime, agreed. But the journalistic nature of wikileaks gives it every right to publish this information, and to actively pursue its oppression is to actively restrict the free media.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There's your key. Your 'our' doesn't include him. He has nothing invested in US military concerns, nor, as an Australian, should he be expected to have.
    Right but **** him that's why. This guy is undermining the US efforts and the 20 guys AU can afford to send over there.
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    Re: Should Jullian Assange be tried for treason or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Freedom of expression exists in Australia too.



    America has perverted the definition of free speech, elements of hate crime and "free speech zones" being some of the best known examples of this. This information was leaked to him, that person commited a crime, and the journalist nature of wikileaks gives it every right to publish this information.
    There is free speech and then there is trade secrets. Most places can sue you if you release trade secrets, I would consider this one hell of a trade secret.
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