View Poll Results: Are you for or against net neutrality?

Voters
46. You may not vote on this poll
  • For it

    29 63.04%
  • Against it

    13 28.26%
  • Unsure

    4 8.70%
  • Don't care

    0 0%
Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 38

Thread: Are you for or against net neutrality?

  1. #21
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,736

    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You have only one cable provider but what about for dial up? Or satellite? DSL? Sure dial up may be slower than all out but it is still useable...especially with the right programs running in conjunction with it.

    There are always options. It's weather or not the options are desirable to you.

    And I firmly believe in the right of the company to restrict or allow anything that they want. It is one of the reasons that I was so pissed at the recent push to make smoking in bars and restaurants illegal. It should be left up to the owner. Not the user. The user doesn't have to give them business.
    The problem is that, with bars/restaurants, you could simply go to another if you didn't like their non/pro-smoking policy (before the laws against smoking in em’, at least)
    ----------------
    With ISP's, in most cases only a few are available - and in some cases, only one per type of available service (cable, DSL, Dial-up, Sat.).

    Sure, in an urban area there may be more options, but if you live in a rural area, your options are very limited.

    I know that for a lengthy period the only available options at my location were dial-up or satellite - sat was a bit costly, and we were holding for the cable install (at the time, it was expected to take less time than it did).

    No DSL available, as I live too far from the nearest hub.

    No Cable, as the cable lines were never installed at the house I live in.

    After much maneuvering (and ~1-2 years), cable lines were extended to our residence - as a direct result of new construction next door.

    But still, the only cable ISP I'm aware of for our area is Comcast, so if they were to put restrictions on the traffic, well...

    And while basic browsing/email is possible via dial-up, online gaming (especially FPS and similar) is nearly impossible.
    ----------------
    Last edited by The Mark; 08-17-10 at 07:46 PM.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  2. #22
    Guru
    JohnWOlin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Kentucky
    Last Seen
    01-17-17 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    3,594

    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You have only one cable provider but what about for dial up? Or satellite? DSL? Sure dial up may be slower than all out but it is still useable..especially with the right programs running in conjunction with it.

    There are always options. It's weather or not the options are desireable to you.

    And I firmly believe in the right of the company to restrict or allow anything that they want. It is one of the reasons that I was so pissed at the recent push to make smoking in bars and restaraunts illegal. It should be left up to the owner. Not the user. The user doesn't have to give them business.
    Wow that anaology doesn't work at all. This is essenitally restricting information from you. You are ok with that?
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

  3. #23
    Global Moderator
    The Truth is out there.
    Kal'Stang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Bonners Ferry ID USA
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    32,858
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Wow that anaology doesn't work at all. This is essenitally restricting information from you. You are ok with that?
    Personally? No. But I still think that they have a right to choose what they allow on their servers. If you were to set up the servers and do all the work I would support your right to do the same.

    If you don't like that analogy then there are several others that I could use.

    If you're a non-smoker would you allow someone to smoke in your house?

    Would you allow someone to boss you around in your own house?

    Would you try and boss the moderators on this website and disregard thier rules and expect to get away with it?

    Would you follow the rules on an online game? Or would you try and hack it and expect to get away with it?

    There are a million and one analogies I could come up with.

    Another reason is that I am against the government controling or setting up rules to limit our rights.
    Last edited by Kal'Stang; 08-18-10 at 08:39 PM.
    I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer. ~ Kal'Stang

    My mind and my heart are saying I'm in my twenties. My body is pointing at my mind and heart and laughing its ass off. ~ Kal'Stang

  4. #24
    Global Moderator
    The Truth is out there.
    Kal'Stang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Bonners Ferry ID USA
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    32,858
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The problem is that, with bars/restaurants, you could simply go to another if you didn't like their non/pro-smoking policy (before the laws against smoking in em’, at least)
    ----------------
    With ISP's, in most cases only a few are available - and in some cases, only one per type of available service (cable, DSL, Dial-up, Sat.).

    Sure, in an urban area there may be more options, but if you live in a rural area, your options are very limited.

    I know that for a lengthy period the only available options at my location were dial-up or satellite - sat was a bit costly, and we were holding for the cable install (at the time, it was expected to take less time than it did).

    No DSL available, as I live too far from the nearest hub.

    No Cable, as the cable lines were never installed at the house I live in.

    After much maneuvering (and ~1-2 years), cable lines were extended to our residence - as a direct result of new construction next door.

    But still, the only cable ISP I'm aware of for our area is Comcast, so if they were to put restrictions on the traffic, well...

    And while basic browsing/email is possible via dial-up, online gaming (especially FPS and similar) is nearly impossible.
    ----------------
    I know what you're saying and I understand the concern. I currently live 25 miles outside of town surrounded by mountains. The only available type of internet is either satellite or dial up. But I still think that they have a right to block whatever they want since we are just using/renting thier property. It's not ours. We should not have the ability to tell them what they can and cannot do with their property. It's like the government coming into your house and telling you that you're not allowed to have a dog in your own home.
    I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer. ~ Kal'Stang

    My mind and my heart are saying I'm in my twenties. My body is pointing at my mind and heart and laughing its ass off. ~ Kal'Stang

  5. #25
    Goddess of Bacon

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Charlottesville, VA
    Last Seen
    05-28-12 @ 09:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    13,988

    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    As it is now, with ISPs having a monopoly in the areas they service, I must concede that they should not be allowed to ban access to certain sites. I loathe restrictions on free market and loathe govt involvement, but as it is right now there is no true competition due to govt zoning laws. So, essentially with Net Neutrality, the govt would be stepping in to help fix what they have broken. It's THEIR rules that don't allow true competition, and because of that they then have to forbid censorship since users would have no choice but to use the ISP that services their area.

    I would prefer that the govt allow ISPs to truly compete with one another in the same areas, then Net Neutrality laws wouldn't be required. But since that's not happening in the foreseeable future, I have to side on Net Neutrality... reluctantly.

  6. #26
    User damianvincent's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Houston, Texas
    Last Seen
    09-23-10 @ 01:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    93

    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    I am completely against the government taking control of the internet.

    I do give them credit for devising such a sly strategy on this though, using comcasts blocking of p2p sites as a strategy, but I do not for a second believe that's the real reason the government wants to take control of the interwebz. Honestly handing the reigns of control from ourselves and the free market, to the government sounds like a very, very, bad idea.

  7. #27
    Guru
    JohnWOlin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Kentucky
    Last Seen
    01-17-17 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    3,594

    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by damianvincent View Post
    I am completely against the government taking control of the internet.

    I do give them credit for devising such a sly strategy on this though, using comcasts blocking of p2p sites as a strategy, but I do not for a second believe that's the real reason the government wants to take control of the interwebz. Honestly handing the reigns of control from ourselves and the free market, to the government sounds like a very, very, bad idea.
    When has the FCC ever done anything that broke your back though?
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

  8. #28
    Advisor Johnny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Last Seen
    06-24-11 @ 07:55 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    571

    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    As much as I hate government involvement in things i have to support net neutrality given the way things are now.

    They shouldn't be blocking sites. That's just not right.
    “The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
    -James Madison

  9. #29
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,736

    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I know what you're saying and I understand the concern. I currently live 25 miles outside of town surrounded by mountains. The only available type of internet is either satellite or dial up. But I still think that they have a right to block whatever they want since we are just using/renting their property. It's not ours. We should not have the ability to tell them what they can and cannot do with their property. It's like the government coming into your house and telling you that you're not allowed to have a dog in your own home.
    As I understand it, it's not entirely their property (the transmission lines and such, that is).

    Either the Gov. subsidized their installing those lines, or the Gov. said "here, if you install these lines, we will prevent anyone else from competing with you in that area."

    Or some combination of the two.

    Then again, perhaps my understanding of the situation is incorrect.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  10. #30
    Educator
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Seen
    01-17-15 @ 02:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    629

    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    If you are a consumer, I don't see how you could be against net neutrality, it only ensures the best quality of product for the consumer. If you are a telecom company, I could understand how you could be against it. Dividing the internet into a tiers, or restricting access to certain sites by certain ISP's is only bad for the consumer and a law that states that you can't do this can only be helpful, as I see it. The FCC is already doing a decent job of preserving net neutrality, I believe.

Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •