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    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    I don't think we're anywhere close to the point where there needs to be legislation to change the status quo.

    Even should we reach that point, I'd be very hesitant about relying on government regulations to solve the problem.
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    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I don't think we're anywhere close to the point where there needs to be legislation to change the status quo.

    Even should we reach that point, I'd be very hesitant about relying on government regulations to solve the problem.
    Even though were getting closer and closer to a controlled internet?
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    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Even though were getting closer and closer to a controlled internet?
    How are we getting closer and closer to a controlled internet?
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    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    I'd prefer we remove the regulatins and restrictions that create the monopolies the telecomms currently have over giving the government more power over it that could later be used by the government to censor rather than businesses. However, I would prefer Net Neutrality over doing nothing.

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    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I don't think we're anywhere close to the point where there needs to be legislation to change the status quo.

    Even should we reach that point, I'd be very hesitant about relying on government regulations to solve the problem.
    Who else has the ability to do it? I'm not saying I trust the government, but there's just no other body who can police such things. At present, Google and Verizon are attempting to control how you see things and what you can see, they want to sell companies the right to send you ads faster and restrict access, or significantly slow access to content that isn't paying them a kick-back. That means YouTube might come down quickly to the end-user, but other video-provider sites may be throttled to the point of being useless.

    That decision making is going on TODAY. What do you mean we're nowhere close to that point?
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    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I don't think we're anywhere close to the point where there needs to be legislation to change the status quo.

    Even should we reach that point, I'd be very hesitant about relying on government regulations to solve the problem.
    I thought exactly the same thing until about six months ago, when I first noticed ISPs starting to restrict their traffic. If the Google/Verizon deal doesn't take us to the point where there needs to be legislation, I don't know what possibly could. It's best to nip this problem in the bud while it's still small, instead of waiting until it becomes a major political issue and there are corporate lobbyists throwing millions of dollars at politicians to protect their interests.

    I'm looking at this from a long-term perspective. As I see it, there are two main reasons for net neutrality: 1) It will keep the cost of using the internet as low as possible in the long term, which I think will be very important to our nation's long-term competitive advantage, and 2) It will prevent the internet from becoming a splinternet, with each ISP becoming its own little fiefdom with its own rules as to what you can and can't do.
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    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I thought exactly the same thing until about six months ago, when the issue became important as ISPs started restricting their traffic. If the Google/Verizon deal doesn't take us to the point where there needs to be legislation, I don't know what possibly could. It's best to nip this problem in the bud while it's still small, instead of waiting until it becomes a problem and there are corporate lobbyists throwing millions of dollars at politicians to protect their interests.

    As I see it, there are two main reasons for net neutrality: 1) It will keep the cost of using the internet as low as possible in the long term, which I think will be very important to our nation's long-term competitive advantage, and 2) It will prevent the internet from becoming a splinternet, with each ISP becoming its own little fiefdom with its own rules as to what you can and can't do.
    On the other hand, such limitations would likely spawn multiple hacks/workarounds that people would use to bypass any restrictions (if they had the required tech skills).

    Of course, if the restrictions are not overtly limiting, many wouldn't notice.
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    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    well right there you have it
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    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Who else has the ability to do it? I'm not saying I trust the government, but there's just no other body who can police such things. At present, Google and Verizon are attempting to control how you see things and what you can see, they want to sell companies the right to send you ads faster and restrict access, or significantly slow access to content that isn't paying them a kick-back. That means YouTube might come down quickly to the end-user, but other video-provider sites may be throttled to the point of being useless.

    That decision making is going on TODAY. What do you mean we're nowhere close to that point?
    I could very well be wrong, but I'm unaware of anything like this that is even remotely close to taking place. I know that people are concerned about this or that thing, but I haven't seen anything yet that makes me think it's a reality.

    And I agree that the government would eventually be a necessary body if something like this were necessary, I'm simply saying that given our long experience with government regulations not quite doing the job they were designed to do, I don't see the need for a massive proactive government intervention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I thought exactly the same thing until about six months ago, when I first noticed ISPs starting to restrict their traffic. If the Google/Verizon deal doesn't take us to the point where there needs to be legislation, I don't know what possibly could. It's best to nip this problem in the bud while it's still small, instead of waiting until it becomes a major political issue and there are corporate lobbyists throwing millions of dollars at politicians to protect their interests
    I just think there's a large difference between one or two ISPs trying to slow down traffic to bittorrent feeds that are slowing speeds for everyone else and a concerted effort to force people to pay extra for youtube or hulu.

    I'm looking at this from a long-term perspective. As I see it, there are two main reasons for net neutrality: 1) It will keep the cost of using the internet as low as possible in the long term, which I think will be very important to our nation's long-term competitive advantage, and 2) It will prevent the internet from becoming a splinternet, with each ISP becoming its own little fiefdom with its own rules as to what you can and can't do.
    This really isn't an area that I'm well read in, but according to wiki, it's not at all clear that it would have the first effect and the second seems to be more of a vague threat of something that could develop in the future.
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    Re: Are you for or against net neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I would agree with you if these companies had used their own capital to build the infastructure but in most cases they were subsidized by the government to place infustructure along with government promises to restrict competition for many years. This gave many companies a monopoly over large districts. Where I live we only have 1 cable provider so the consumer is left with no alternatives.
    You have only one cable provider but what about for dial up? Or satellite? DSL? Sure dial up may be slower than all out but it is still useable..especially with the right programs running in conjunction with it.

    There are always options. It's weather or not the options are desireable to you.

    And I firmly believe in the right of the company to restrict or allow anything that they want. It is one of the reasons that I was so pissed at the recent push to make smoking in bars and restaraunts illegal. It should be left up to the owner. Not the user. The user doesn't have to give them business.
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