View Poll Results: What should be the primary purpose of our education system?

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  • To teach students a core curriculum (e.g. basic math, reading, science, history)

    28 63.64%
  • To teach students useful life skills (e.g. health, sex education, work ethic, personal finance)

    4 9.09%
  • To enable students to find jobs after they’re done with their education

    2 4.55%
  • To produce students that can outscore other nations on exams

    1 2.27%
  • To instill moral and/or religious values in students

    0 0%
  • To instill patriotism and/or good citizenship in students

    1 2.27%
  • To help students lead happy lives

    1 2.27%
  • To keep minors busy so they don’t get into trouble

    0 0%
  • To identify the students most likely to become future leaders

    0 0%
  • Other (please specify)

    7 15.91%
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    Re: What should be the primary purpose of our education system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    Are you advocating no public school at all or the fed government staying out of it (abolish Dept of Ed) and turn education back to each state?

    My stance is the latter. I'm curious as to yours.
    The Federal Government has no Constitutional role in Public Education. This was settled by Thomas Jefferson and his Congress, which refused to write the Constitutional Amendment Jefferson requested authorizing federal funding for education.

    Public education is a matter for the states, and only the states.

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    Re: What should be the primary purpose of our education system?

    I wish the poll were multiple choice.

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    Re: What should be the primary purpose of our education system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    I wish schools had uniforms in the states as well. It puts tge kids on equal footing when they look the same. Then it's a matter of keeping your uniform clean. As opposed to getting ragged on by kids with the nice clothes.
    Robotics is supposed to be the study of computer programmers and engineers, not the product of a school system.

    It's un-American.

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    Re: What should be the primary purpose of our education system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Robotics is supposed to be the study of computer programmers and engineers, not the product of a school system.

    It's un-American.
    am i also to take it you are opposed to companies making their employees wear uniforms too, or what about military, police, fire brigade uniforms? are the unamerican too?
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    Re: What should be the primary purpose of our education system?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    am i also to take it you are opposed to companies making their employees wear uniforms too, or what about military, police, fire brigade uniforms? are the unamerican too?
    An employee is in a voluntary association with his employer.

    A child is required, by state law, to attend some form of school. His participation is not voluntary and his choice of clothing is a matter, within very broad limits indeed, between himself and his guardians. The state has few laws regarding clothing, and children should not be given special considerations that deprive them of their freedom simply because they're required by law to attend school.

    Glad to see the "very liberal" weighing in on the side of overweening state interference in a private matter.


    Besides, the girls wearing those Hot Dog on a Stick uniforms are so cute in their abject embarassment who could want to stop that?
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    Re: What should be the primary purpose of our education system?

    To produce a vibrant, critically thinking and educated populace. If you're going to let people vote for how the country is run, they need the skills to make educated decisions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    I wish schools had uniforms in the states as well. It puts tge kids on equal footing when they look the same. Then it's a matter of keeping your uniform clean. As opposed to getting ragged on by kids with the nice clothes.
    And that'll completely cure kids being made fun of? If it's not clothes, it'll be hair. Or body type. Or where they live. Or who they hang out with. Or whatever else kids can possibly find to ostracize each other.

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    Re: What should be the primary purpose of our education system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    An employee is in a voluntary association with his employer.

    A child is required, by state law, to attend some form of school. His participation is not voluntary and his choice of clothing is a matter, within very broad limits indeed, between himself and his guardians. The state has few laws regarding clothing, and children should not be given special considerations that deprive them of their freedom simply because they're required by law to attend school.

    Glad to see the "very liberal" weighing in on the side of overweening state interference in a private matter.


    Besides, the girls wearing those Hot Dog on a Stick uniforms are so cute in their abject embarassment who could want to stop that?
    see, i have nothing against that argument, but that you were insinuating that it turns them into robots is what i found funny, i wore uniforms at school, and i'm not a robot, of course, i'm not American either, so that could be why.
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    Re: What should be the primary purpose of our education system?

    Ultimately I wish we didn't have to care about nationhood, but since every other nation seems to care about nationhood (or should I say tribalism), it's important for a country to have a uniform education system where everyone is, for the most part, on the same page. That means we are taught, more or less, the same facts in school. I do believe this is indoctrination and nationalism to some degree, but not entirely. If nations are to remain competitive and secure, the people have to know the facts of the world.

    In a contradictory way, I also wish that the education system were more catered to the individual, instead of a white-wash approach to teaching as if all children are the same. The era we live in is increasingly unwilling to tolerate the nail the sticks out, and they hammer it down by giving children medications for failing to conform in the classroom. Education needs to evolve to be more dynamic and to recognize the needs of each individual student. A lot of students think in a non-linear, abstract way, but the system is not designed for that, so these people get hit hardest. A lot of children who are on drugs to keep them in line are these kinds of "vata" thinkers (if you are familiar with ayurveda). Unfortunately, aside from private school, I think the system is mostly designed to create a work-ready middle class that doesn't necessarily have life skills, but is good at obedience and following instructions.

    The strength of nations lies in health and education. With those, most problems are solvable.
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    Re: What should be the primary purpose of our education system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberhwk View Post
    To produce a vibrant, critically thinking and educated populace. If you're going to let people vote for how the country is run, they need the skills to make educated decisions.



    And that'll completely cure kids being made fun of? If it's not clothes, it'll be hair. Or body type. Or where they live. Or who they hang out with. Or whatever else kids can possibly find to ostracize each other.

    It won't cure everything but I think it will help a great deal. Many free nations have school uniforms. It also makes it easier on parents. It's easier to buy a couple sets of uniforms and rotate them than to have to buy school clothes.

    That would be something for each state and the peope to decide on anyway.

    I just personally support school uniforms.

    IMHO the people that are against them are mostly people that want to flaunt what they have.
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    Re: What should be the primary purpose of our education system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    IMHO the people that are against them are mostly people that want to flaunt what they have.
    I ain't got squat. And my children aren't identical little cogs in bureaucrat's dream of getting rich by investing in a school uniform franchise.

    School uniforms do nothing but make kids wear clothes that look similar.

    That's it.

    The rich ones will still flaunt their wealth, the same way they've aways done, with their mouths.

    The gangbangers will still flash their secret hand signals.

    The smart ones will still be ostracized by the jocks, and the girls are still going to know who the rich ones are and who the geeks are.

    Clothing does not make the man.

    What uniforms do provide is a layer of control incompetent bureaucrats can point to and say they're doing something to fix what can't be fixed with clothing.

    School got a gang problem? The solution is the have the criminals arrested and put into jail or reform schools, and otherwise removed from contact with students who go to school to learn.

    School got an income-gap problem? Then the school needs to teach the students that they have to tolerate each other while at school, without conflict, without violence, without disruption of the job they were sent to the school to do, which is to learn. One of the things children need to be taught in a modern society is that even when you're sitting next to someone who looks totally stupid with the six-inch gauge in his ear and the stainless chicken bone through his nose, you can't be starting a fight with him. And how are they going to learn that when the school is teaching them that the government can force everyone to wear the same clothes?

    Uniforms do not do what schools need to do. They're merely a mask to cover incompetence in the school administration and a cover for weak parents who can't make their children behave appropriately. Incompetent school administrators should be fired,. The children of good parents should not be penalized because other children have weak parents.
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