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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized for recreational purposes

    Yes marijuana should be legalized, and so should every other drug. Period.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized for recreational purposes

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Ok here is the thing about a guy smoking crack. If he gets high enough and becomes paranoid enough he WILL go out on the street thinking someone is out to get him. You think you see crackheads out on the street because they are going for a merry jog?
    The crackheads you see on the street represent the nature of the said addiction. Illegal to possess, market control by gangs, low income/wealth areas for distribution (which pulls a particular segment to these areas), felony possession charges which make it harder to find employment even after a person is clean, etc.... To put it softly, crack is a low income substitute for cocaine.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized for recreational purposes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Anyways I'm done with this thread. It's no use debating to a brick wall.
    After having failed to point out how smoking pot injures other people, you leave. Nice. Glad I'm not your brother or you would disown me.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized for recreational purposes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Do you seriously think that someone that smokes crack is just going to smoke it in their own home? Or even if they do that they won't go out driving afterwards? And even if they do JUST smoke crack and don't go anywhere what if they have kids? Are you going to put them kids at risk also? Try and be a little more honest in your debating please.
    By continuously focusing on the user while ignoring the producer exposes your propaganda driven bias. While you have no problem with government bureaucrats deciding what is or is not good for you or society, it opens the door to more than just illicit drugs. People die in car crashes; even those who were not drinking kill fellow commuters on the basis of an accident. Should we outlaw driving because a 3,500lb car traveling at 55mph poses risks for others? Should we outlaw fast food, junk food, prepackaged processed food, etc..., because it poses risks to society? I can go on and on, the truth of the matter is prohibition is embarrassingly ineffective.

    And when they have a health problem due to the crack who do you think is going to have to foot the bill? It certainly isn't the crackhead that's for sure.
    Peanuts compared to irresponsible eating habits. Obesity costs (on their own) attribute over $130 billion a year in health costs, of which a large portion is payed or by....... you guessed it! Taxpayers!

    As far as the crime vs addictiveness? Since crack is illegal yes it does correlate.
    Possessing drugs does not harm anyone while being illegal. AKA a victimless crime.

    It becomes my problem when I have to foot the medical bill.
    Already addressed.

    Hmm let's see here....Since Joe Pothead will no doubt roll himself a fatty before work also and quite possibly during lunch or break...well I hope to god he doesn't drive heavy machinery. Because then he could run my ass over. Remember, MJ does affect a persons perceptions.
    Care to post a study dealing with cannabis and ability to drive?

    Note that I didn't limit it to your "after work" bit because that will not be the only time during the day that he will smoke MJ. Saying otherwise would be dishonest.
    So?

    This folks is called "state of denial".
    This folks is called a state of blindness.

    It's called common sense. I've already listed several problems that is associated with pot. I'm not going over them again. Of course even if I did you would just deny them as being "propaganda" or try and twist it saying that it's the persons responsibility. Sorry but I don't fly around yelling "conspiracy" every time the government does something I don't like.
    Your problems are not cannabis or other drugs, as these same problems manifest themselves in other aspects. Once you open the door to nanny state control of what you put into your body, it is (as history shows) painfully difficult to not only reverse, but decelerate.

    It's kinda hard to educate people properly when you've got people like you and others that are pro-marijuana spewing out false information or just limiting your "questions" to limited scenario's so that the whole picture isn't seen.
    Imagine how i feel. It is annoying to no end watching people make up anecdotal scenarios where a cannabis user is "harming" others. Life in and of itself is a risk, and you represent a group of people who use fear as a means to control (without making a minor impact on said risk).

    Anyways I'm done with this thread. It's no use debating to a brick wall.
    If you had a real argument, maybe a debate would be possible.
    Last edited by Kushinator; 08-20-10 at 04:01 PM.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized for recreational purposes

    1.Legalize drugs
    2.Tax the s*** out of drugs
    3.REgulate usage

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized for recreational purposes

    I'm not sure I agree with taxing the **** out of all of them. When the tax on cigarettes go up the sales of tax free cigarettes (i.e. the ones controlled by organized crime) go up too. In other words the drug trade could be pushed back underground.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized for recreational purposes

    Quote Originally Posted by surrealistpenguin View Post
    I'm not sure I agree with taxing the **** out of all of them. When the tax on cigarettes go up the sales of tax free cigarettes (i.e. the ones controlled by organized crime) go up too. In other words the drug trade could be pushed back underground.
    So uhhh what organized crime is selling cigarettes? Anyways, in United States the government has always thought of several clever ways to tax alcohol and cigarettes, we still do not pay nearly what you pay in the UK though.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized for recreational purposes

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    So uhhh what organized crime is selling cigarettes?
    He's right.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized for recreational purposes

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Well that is insanity, but I could see it happening in NYC. Just like Dave Atell says, "for a little bit more I could be smoking crack." Where I live you pay on average $4.25 for a pack of cigarettes.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized for recreational purposes

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    So uhhh what organized crime is selling cigarettes? Anyways, in United States the government has always thought of several clever ways to tax alcohol and cigarettes, we still do not pay nearly what you pay in the UK though.
    Well, I think it was the biggest earner for Italian organized crime back in the 80s (or at least one of them). They would sell them on throughout Europe.

    Here in the UK it's common knowledge that they come off the back of a truck, so to speak . . . Plenty of people buy them so it's no secret. Sh*t, you sometimes get guys that come up to in the street in broad daylight offering you cheap cigs.

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