View Poll Results: Would you or anyone you know do business with a store that had a openly racist policy

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  • I would not frequent such a business

    26 43.33%
  • I would frequent such a business

    3 5.00%
  • No one I know would frequent such a business

    13 21.67%
  • A small handful of folks I know might frequent such a business

    17 28.33%
  • A significant number of people I know would frequent such a business

    17 28.33%
  • Over half the people I know would frequent such a business

    16 26.67%
  • Most people I know would frequent such a business

    30 50.00%
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Thread: How many people do you know that would do business with segregationists?

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    Re: How many people do you know that would do business with segregationists?

    I voted 'no'. I would not knowingly patronize such an establishment nor would anyone I know. My answer is in regards to the U.S. since that's what the thread is referencing to.

    However I usually prefer bars, clubs and stores where the minorities are the majority due to places I grew up, music and cultures I gre up with and I feel more comfortable with people like me. In the case of Black/Latino barber shops they're the only ones that cut my hair the way I want.

    But if the place is openly racist and makes in known I will not patronize the place.
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    Re: How many people do you know that would do business with segregationists?

    I'm hesitant to even say whether or not I'd patronize such an establishment, because I feel like if we all say we wouldn't, that will be used as an excuse, by libertarian types, why business owners should have the legal right to discriminate in this way (which i don't believe they should), because- the theory goes- the free market will drive such establishments out of business anyway, because nobody would be willing to shop there.

    It's not a discussion I'm willing to have, though.
    Business owners don't and shouldn't have the right to discriminate on the basis of ethnicity.
    The reason I made the point about Walmart is that everybody claims it's evil, but shops there anyway.
    Ideals tend to fly out the window in the face of good bargains and convenient location.
    Racism and racial discrimination need to remain illegal.
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    Re: How many people do you know that would do business with segregationists?

    I do live in the South and must say that a few folks I know would go to these places. And I have a feeling a LOT of people I don't know would go too
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    Re: How many people do you know that would do business with segregationists?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    The reason I made the point about Walmart is that everybody claims it's evil, but shops there anyway.
    Ideals tend to fly out the window in the face of good bargains and convenient location.
    Racism and racial discrimination need to remain illegal.

    Great point and well said.
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    Re: How many people do you know that would do business with segregationists?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Here we have a Cowboys of Color rodeo.
    Or at least we did have one, at least once.
    I was downtown with my kids who were about 8 and 9, and they saw a poster for this rodeo and asked me a billion questions about it.
    My conclusion was that minority cowboys have traditionally excluded from regular rodeos, and so they've started their own.
    Although I don't for sure if that's true. It just sounds convincing.
    There is also a black circus. Forget what is called something like Soul Circus or something. Of course white folks are free to attend.

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    Re: How many people do you know that would do business with segregationists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I do live in the South and must say that a few folks I know would go to these places. And I have a feeling a LOT of people I don't know would go too
    I live in the South.

    I'm reasonably sure none of my family or friends would patronize a business that denied service based on race, or segregated races in different rooms, etc.

    Then again I choose not to hang out with racists.

    Nobody I work with would go for it either, I think. I suppose if I drove around town and looked at the houses and thought about people I'd previously been acquainted with, I might think of a few who would like such a thing... but not many. Not these days. Things have changed.

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    Re: How many people do you know that would do business with segregationists?

    Depends on the price. Like or not, everyone has their price. As much as we pretend to be high minded, if the price is right, many people don't give a **** about who they buy or sell to.
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    Re: How many people do you know that would do business with segregationists?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I'm hesitant to even say whether or not I'd patronize such an establishment, because I feel like if we all say we wouldn't, that will be used as an excuse, by libertarian types, why business owners should have the legal right to discriminate in this way (which i don't believe they should), because- the theory goes- the free market will drive such establishments out of business anyway, because nobody would be willing to shop there.

    It's not a discussion I'm willing to have, though.
    Business owners don't and shouldn't have the right to discriminate on the basis of ethnicity.
    The reason I made the point about Walmart is that everybody claims it's evil, but shops there anyway.
    Ideals tend to fly out the window in the face of good bargains and convenient location.
    Racism and racial discrimination need to remain illegal.
    I find it odd you're reluctant to answer because you're afraid it would confirm we're moving away from needing government to enforce racial tolerance. Isn't a good thing that society has moved away from racism and embraced tolerance to the point where market forces would work against racists? Isn't a good thing that we may not need these laws to force people to be tolerant, because society has become more tolerant and has a deep disaproval of racism?

    As for the poll results, I'm not surprised. 21 of 22 respondents say they would not do business with a store that had an open racist policy. And 21 of 22 respondents also said either no one or only a small handful of folks they know would do business with such a store. Now, I will say that I agree with Obvious Child. If a store with a racist policy was also had great prices, I think these numbers would change. Perhaps radically. I deplore racism, but if the savings were large enough, I'd probably set aside my principles to save a few bucks. Principles don't put food on the table. But fortunately being a racist scumbag has no correlation with being a super efficient businessman who can offer premium pricing. If anything, by limiting their clientel, it would hamper their ability to offer competitive pricing.

    Another thing I have to say, I wonder if folks are underestimating how many people they know would shop at such places. Especially those that said no one they knew would shop there. I asked my mother this question. She's occassionally said a thing or two on race that has made me cringe, but in general I don't consider her a racist. But she shrugged and said while she doesn't support that sort of thing, it wouldn't bother her enough to make her boycott the store in question. She seemed rather indifferent to it. I was a little surprised by this.
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    Re: How many people do you know that would do business with segregationists?

    Another shoddy attempt to try and justify tossing out the Civil Rights Amend. If it isn't needed, why the push to get rid of it? Who do racists think they are kidding? Bigots should be exposed for what they are and their businesses shut down.

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    Re: How many people do you know that would do business with segregationists?

    Discriminate against who they would do business with? I wouldn't go and a very very small number of people I know probably would go.

    Discriminate against who they hire? I'll be dead honest. You advertise that your retail or food store in Northern Virginia doesn't hire hispanics and I'd probably show up there every time because I have a significantly better chance on my first attempt at finding someone working there that might actually fluently speak in a way I can understand and more important could actually understand me....something that right now is frankly a rarity.

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