View Poll Results: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good

Voters
57. You may not vote on this poll
  • YES! More Harm than Good

    22 38.60%
  • NO! More good than harm!

    21 36.84%
  • Other / I dont know

    11 19.30%
  • Shut up Noodle! I AM God!!!

    3 5.26%
Page 8 of 16 FirstFirst ... 678910 ... LastLast
Results 71 to 80 of 157

Thread: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

  1. #71
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I said I take your criticisms of religion with a brick of salt, which is due to the fact that I believe you engage in hyperbole on this topic. That's not a personal attack, that's a basic (and entirely innocuous) observation.

    I said that you have issues with religion, just like I'm sure you have issues with other bad things. If I said that "religion is a tremendously negative force: socially, personally, historically, financially, and environmentally," it would be safe to say that I have issues with religion. Not sure how you see that as a personal attack.

    No, I said you're taking every opportunity to demonize those who don't share your fervor. That was in response to your claim that anyone who worked for a church was just out to get a gullible herd to pay them money, thus neatly attacking both clergymen and those who practice religion. Looking through this thread, I'd say that was pretty spot on.

    You're bitter toward religion. Are you really going to look at what you've posted in this thread and say that's not an accurate description?

    You've said that parishioners (a group you clearly lump me and other posters into) are generally gullible and deluded and that the people leading those churches are hucksters.

    Doubtful, but you're entitled to believe whatever you like.

    I think it's clear that there's not much of a point.
    Clearly there isn't, since you're more interested in discussing me than the topic.

  2. #72
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:02 AM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,316
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say it's done more good than harm. As for the wars murders and all that other ****, if wasn't religion they would have used something else and sometimes religion wrongly gets blamed for stuff.
    I think it goes both ways. I think what cinches it for me is that, if you call all the big stuff a draw, religions still provide comfort and a social network for those who believe. This to me is a strong positive.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  3. #73
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think it goes both ways. I think what cinches it for me is that, if you call all the big stuff a draw, religions still provide comfort and a social network for those who believe. This to me is a strong positive.
    I think my perspective on religion would likely be far more positive if I didn't live in the Deep South and see it at its worst all the time. I would like to live in a community where I wasn't surrounded by rabid fundamentalists at some point.

  4. #74
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    The wars, the murders.....
    The hope given, finding a better way to live......
    There has been so much evil done in the name of religion, equality, etc but it's not the fault of the ideas, it's the individuals who used them to gain power and exploit people.

    Ideas have always been the most dangerous weapon.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  5. #75
    Dungeon Master
    Veni, vidi, dormivi!

    spud_meister's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Didjabringabeeralong
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    33,873
    Blog Entries
    8

    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There has been so much evil done in the name of religion, equality, etc but it's not the fault of the ideas, it's the individuals who used them to gain power and exploit people.

    Ideas have always been the most dangerous weapon.
    i once tried to beat someone to death with an idea, all it did was give me a headache.
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

  6. #76
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Pretend that there was no such thing as religion. Do you actually think that none of those things would have happened?

    The fact that wars and atrocities were committed in the name of religion doesn't mean that they would never have happened in the absence of religion.
    No - I don't believe the Children's War would have happened without Religion.
    Nor would the Spanish Inquisition and the Great Crusades. What about the face off between Middle Eastern Countries? Would much of that be going on right now? What about 9/11 - would that have happened? What about Cults - all in the name of a twisted 'god' belief and worhsip? Would we be defending Israel so much if we weren't a "Christian nation" (according to many people's beliefs - not mine).

    Sure - wars happen - right now people are beign tortured and killed and religion and God doesn't factor it. But that's doesn't mean that *countless* people have met their end because someone was on a religious-trip and trying to spread the good word through their proclaimed Jihad.



    Wait - are you saying that you believe that a supernatural being actually killed all those people via things like floods?

    If so, then it would seem pretty foolish to be saying religion is useless.
    If not, then it obviously wasn't the fault of a religion that those people died.
    Religious people believe it happened (I don't)
    And they worship the God/Gods who did such attrocities and accept it - and even defend said beliefs and actions.

    You know why God killed all the children in the flood? (I asked this in another forum years back) - the Defendors of God said "Because they were *really really bad people*"

    Mmmmhmm.

    Religion breeds stupidity, that's for damn sure. . . and Foster's an acceptance of "kill all" as long as "God does it it's ok!" - which is why it's so dangerous.

    Of course crap would happened without religion - of course it would. But you cannot deny that people all too often *use* religion as support, a reason, an excuse and as their 'purpose' far too often - even if it's just a bunch of bull**** to them, personally.
    Last edited by Aunt Spiker; 08-15-10 at 11:24 AM.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

  7. #77
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    i once tried to beat someone to death with an idea, all it did was give me a headache.
    Was it still in your head?

    Next time write it on a baseball (or cricket for the weirdos) bat.
    Much more effective.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  8. #78
    Devourer of Poor Children
    DrunkenAsparagus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    DC
    Last Seen
    01-20-16 @ 04:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    4,496

    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Have bad things been done in the name of religion? Of course, but to blame religion misses the point. Religion has been such a dominant part of society in human history, so it's bound to be the most convenient excuse. Atheists do pretty bad things as well. Trying determine which world, a believing one or a non-believing one, would lead to more murder, torture, conquest, suffering, and man's inhumanity's to his fellow man is pointless. Both people are capable of being complete dicks. Get off your damn high horses.
    "Doubleplusungood"

    George Orwell

  9. #79
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Have bad things been done in the name of religion? Of course, but to blame religion misses the point. Religion has been such a dominant part of society in human history, so it's bound to be the most convenient excuse. Atheists do pretty bad things as well. Trying determine which world, a believing one or a non-believing one, would lead to more murder, torture, conquest, suffering, and man's inhumanity's to his fellow man is pointless. Both people are capable of being complete dicks. Get off your damn high horses.
    What if they ride on little horses?
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  10. #80
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Have bad things been done in the name of religion? Of course, but to blame religion misses the point. Religion has been such a dominant part of society in human history, so it's bound to be the most convenient excuse. Atheists do pretty bad things as well. Trying determine which world, a believing one or a non-believing one, would lead to more murder, torture, conquest, suffering, and man's inhumanity's to his fellow man is pointless. Both people are capable of being complete dicks. Get off your damn high horses.
    Funny - I see it the opposite. . . I see that the world is wretched because it's pocked full of 'my God vs your God' issues. . . and would like the god factor to be removed.

    Why do you think that a beliefless place would bring more harm into the equation?
    Why do you equate peace and morality *with* religious beliefs? (here's where we (religious and non-religious people) differ - Some non-believers see that people can live peacefully and be moral without God, many religious people dont').
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

Page 8 of 16 FirstFirst ... 678910 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •