View Poll Results: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Bring in more members who can give more dollars. Like I said, it's a great pyramid scheme.
    Seriously, did you even read the entire post?
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's the Catholic church. Protestant churches don't maintain those sorts of hours.
    And I'm sure they do plenty of other things to help their communities even when they're not open for mass.

    Regardless, if that's your problem, why not limit your criticism to the particular protestant churches that do things you don't like rather than attacking clergymen in general as hucksters and parishioners in general as gullible sheep?
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Seriously, did you even read the entire post?
    Of course I read the entire post. You have your perspective, and I have mine. Did you really think I'd find it persuasive? Do you think I've never belonged to a church?

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And I'm sure they do plenty of other things to help their communities even when they're not open for mass.
    Where does the bible state that people are supposed to be paid to do those things?

    Regardless, if that's your problem, why not limit your criticism to the particular protestant churches that do things you don't like rather than attacking clergymen in general as hucksters and parishioners in general as gullible sheep?
    If I were referring to priests, I'd have said priests. I said pastors because I was referring to the protestant variant. However, parishioners, in general, are gullible sheep, in my opinion.

    Sorry if that offends you. Your opinion may be substantially different. You may even consider me a moronic asshole for saying these things. I'm probably okay with that, though, because my opinions have been forged in the furnace of personal experience, and I'm pretty clear on what I think about this subject, and the net negative effect of religion overall.

    You should ask yourself why you care so much what a heathen thinks.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 08-15-10 at 02:56 AM.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    I don't think all religions are equal with their contributions. I won't post my honest opinion about religions, but overall I think they have done more "good" than bad. Irreligious/atheism has it's evils too. I think it's based on human nature. I know great atheists and annoying ones, just like I know great religious people and annoying ones. It's about human nature in my opinion, religion or not. Religion itself has done nothing good what so ever. However, the people following the religion/doing as the religion says are the ones who bring about the good as well as the evil.
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's the Catholic church. Protestant churches don't maintain those sorts of hours.
    Depends on the church. Most Protestant churches don't offer services 7 days a week. But its fairly common to see services at least a couple of the following times:
    Sunday morning (sometimes two services scheduled, one early, one late)
    Sunday evening
    Saturday evening
    Wednesday evening (usually a "Bible study" rather than a worship service)
    Throughout my church's history at one time or another we've offered services at all of these times except Saturday evenings.

    On top of that, various ministry groups meet and use the building on a regular basis:
    Children's ministry (1st grade - 5th grade)
    Youth Group (6th grade and up)
    Women's ministry
    Men's ministry
    Small group Bible study
    Another church that serves the Mexican community out here uses our facility as well
    Plus the church doors are open during the "work week" and people can drop by for counseling or whatever
    Plus various other organizations use our building for meetings either regularly or occassionally: Cub Scouts, Burros football, Little League, and probably some others I'm not aware of

    So its not like the typical church building is sitting empty and unused most of the time.
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Religions have created good people with good morals... even if few religious people choose to ignore the principles of their faith. People can disagree with some of their opinions, but almost all of the religious people I know have their hearts in the right place.
    "a few" is an understatement - the number of people, priests, minister, bishops and other leaders who have tortured, murdered, waged war and everything else "in the name of God" leaves a path of destruction that goes on throughout history - quite the body count.

    Oddly - almost every single God and Goddess is directly responsible for mass deaths (like the Flood in Genesis) at the same time.

    So - some people being 'good' because they go to church? To me that isn't worth the millions of people who've lost their lives in one way or another because of "God's will"
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Where does the bible state that people are supposed to be paid to do those things?
    Where does the bible state that all people working for the church in any capacity (full time or part time) shall do so without pay?

    If I were referring to priests, I'd have said priests. I said pastors because I was referring to the protestant variant. However, parishioners, in general, are gullible sheep, in my opinion. Sorry if that offends you. Your opinion may be substantially different. You may even consider me a moronic asshole for saying this. I'm probably okay with that. WHy do you need me to salve your feelings on this subject?
    I don't care about you "salving my feelings," as I know enough to take your criticisms of religion with a brick of salt. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous your statement is in the hope that you might say "You know, you're right - my earlier statement unfairly attacked a huge swath of religious people based on the actions of a particular subset of people that I found objectionable. Now that that's out of the way, let's have a reasonable and measured discussion of the topic." If you'd rather not, that's fine too.

    (And as a side note, catholics call them pastors as well.)
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    So its not like the typical church building is sitting empty and unused most of the time.
    Be honest. The average church building is incredibly under-utilized. The pastor's offices may be used Tues-Friday, but the rest of the building is empty on Monday, Tuesday, all day Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and most Saturdays.

    Even on Sunday, the building is probably only used 5 hours a day.

    Compare that to the average Boys & Girls Club, which runs 8 a.m. until 10 p.m., Monday - Saturday, or even the average office building.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Where does the bible state that all people working for the church in any capacity (full time or part time) shall do so without pay?
    I asked you first. You believe they should be paid, please feel free to justify this position using scripture.

    I don't care about you "salving my feelings," as I know enough to take your criticisms of religion with a brick of salt. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous your statement is in the hope that you might say "You know, you're right - my earlier statement unfairly attacked a huge swath of religious people based on the actions of a particular subset of people that I found objectionable. Now that that's out of the way, let's have a reasonable and measured discussion of the topic."
    The problem is that I don't believe that. I do tend to believe that most religious people are deluded by the notion that they need to put themselves through a huge amount of rigamarole in order to connect to God. And, if there is a God, I don't believe that's what he/she intended.

    How exactly would you like me to couch that sentiment in order to avoid offending you? I have a feeling that no matter HOW I say it, you're going to be annoyed by it.

    This is a topic that people have strong feelings about. I think religion is a tremendously negative force: socially, personally, historically, financially, and environmentally. I'm sorry my views offend you. I know you disagree.

    p.s. For the record, engaging in ad hominems is no way to conduct a measured, reasonable discussion. I have not attacked you personally, but you've attacked me numerous times on this thread. Why is that?
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