View Poll Results: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    That's a shame, but I can assure that it's helped more with others.
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Forgive the hyperbole, but your post took the morals that you like, and gave credit to society. The rules you don't like are automatically religious.
    No, I tried to think of examples of religious "morals" that don't have any basis in logic or objective morality, but only in religion. There's no moral reason to wear your hair in a certain way, but some religions think that it's immoral not to do so.

    Universal morality id nonreligious -- things we ALL agree upon, no matter our religion or lack thereof. It's wrong to steal or murder or rape -- that sort of thing. Most of these are based on the "golden rule" that exists in every society no matter what their religion.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    No, I tried to think of examples of religious "morals" that don't have any basis in logic or objective morality, but only in religion. There's no moral reason to wear your hair in a certain way, but some religions think that it's immoral not to do so.

    Universal morality id nonreligious -- things we ALL agree upon, no matter our religion or lack thereof. It's wrong to steal or murder or rape -- that sort of thing. Most of these are based on the "golden rule" that exists in every society no matter what their religion.
    But prior to religion, most of those societies did not follow the "golden rule". Religion introduced it.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    But prior to religion, most of those societies did not follow the "golden rule". Religion introduced it.
    No, I think they both evolved at the same time. People needed rules for a society to work, and god(s) gave them a reason to enforce those rules (as well as a bunch of other rules that didn't have anything to do with morals, such as "obey the leaders and do what the church tells you")

    There are societies where the religion is less of a supernatural thing and more of a philosophy of life (such as Buddhism) and they also have these basic moral rules I mentioned.

    And there are atheists who follow these rules, too.

    The point is that morality doesn't need religion.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    The State religion of Communism is The State. They enacted anti-theist policies to quell anything which could pose threat to the total power of the State. Atheism had nothing to do with it.

    Your incorrect.

    "The State" is atheistic, for which "The State" is errected, remains and functions. Communism, Nazism, Fascism are progressive adjectives describing one form of death or another.

    Atheism = Communism = The State = Atheism.
    Atheism = Nazism = The State = Atheism.
    Islam = Islamofascism = The Theocratic State = Islam.

    Atheism = the extermination of 100,000,000.
    Islam = the extermination of 34,000,000.
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    No, I think they both evolved at the same time. People needed rules for a society to work, and god(s) gave them a reason to enforce those rules (as well as a bunch of other rules that didn't have anything to do with morals, such as "obey the leaders and do what the church tells you")

    There are societies where the religion is less of a supernatural thing and more of a philosophy of life (such as Buddhism) and they also have these basic moral rules I mentioned.

    And there are atheists who follow these rules, too.

    The point is that morality doesn't need religion.
    So your assertion is that morality came simultaneously with religion but was unrelated?

    Religions such as Buddhism instruct one to behave right to gain enlightenment. No punishment but surely reward. It disseminates morality as well.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    So your assertion is that morality came simultaneously with religion but was unrelated?

    Religions such as Buddhism instruct one to behave right to gain enlightenment. No punishment but surely reward. It disseminates morality as well.
    No, my assertion is that EVERYTHING came simultaneous with religion. Religion has been a part of our society ever since cavemen looked up and saw lightning and made up a god to explain it. Science and medicine also came with religion. Everything did, that's the point. You can't separate early society from religion.

    However, some things can be separated from religion. Morality may have evolved at the same time as religion, but a lot of morality is completely independent of it. "Do not kill" exists in every society.

    If morality is ONLY religion based, then how do you explain atheists with morals? I mean, seriously you cannot argue with a straight face that atheists are all immoral.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    No, my assertion is that EVERYTHING came simultaneous with religion. Religion has been a part of our society ever since cavemen looked up and saw lightning and made up a god to explain it. Science and medicine also came with religion. Everything did, that's the point. You can't separate early society from religion.

    However, some things can be separated from religion. Morality may have evolved at the same time as religion, but a lot of morality is completely independent of it. "Do not kill" exists in every society.

    If morality is ONLY religion based, then how do you explain atheists with morals? I mean, seriously you cannot argue with a straight face that atheists are all immoral.
    I believe morality is subjective. I believe there are moral atheists. I believe in natural rights based on subjective morality. I believe this was spread throughtout the world be religion.

    Seems like atheists owe a big debt of graditude to religion for disseminating moraliy and stable society to allow thinkers time to come up with morality independent of religion.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    My experiences with religion have all been quite wrong.
    My experiences are the same. Religion was the club used to beat me emotionally for most of my life. I have never been happier in my life than when I got out from under the oppressive beliefs I was raised with.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    If it takes the belief of myth and superstition to keep somebody from killing me, then so be it. Whatever works. I'm cool with it.

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