View Poll Results: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    No, they were a backlash of anti-religion that resulted. For centuries leaders told their "people" that they were poor and oppressed because God wanted them to be and that they were in charge because God wanted them to be. Eventually that story loses its luster.
    So these people just used an excuse other than "God wants you to do it" to do horrible things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    I tend to think that morality that is derived from logic and caring about other people is superior to morality that is derived from "If I don't do X, I will be punished in the afterlife."
    Even as a religious person I agree, but it's still morality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    The problem is that much religious morality is "morality" only in their eyes -- some religions believe it is immoral to let a woman show her face, or it is immoral to be gay, or that it is immoral to eat certain foods and so on.
    Yeah, but there are some constants. Murder is bad, stealing is bad, ect.
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    So these people just used an excuse other than "God wants you to do it" to do horrible things.
    Yes, but they gained power doing the same thing the religious institutions did, played on the passions and ignorance of those they subjugated. That is my main point, extremism in any form usually leads to abuses of power and only serve to oppress and hurt those they claim to speak for.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Yes, but they gained power doing the same thing the religious institutions did, played on the passions and ignorance of those they subjugated. That is my main point, extremism in any form usually leads to abuses of power and only serve to oppress and hurt those they claim to speak for.
    Well of course, but the point of thread is whether religion causes more harm than no religion or not. There is no way to really tell. I just assumed that was what you were talking about.
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Well of course, but the point of thread is whether religion causes more harm than no religion or not. There is no way to really tell. I just assumed that was what you were talking about.
    Well, while there are no real measures there are certainly thousands if not millions of examples of the harm caused.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Well, while there are no real measures there are certainly thousands if not millions of examples of the harm caused.
    And billions that were helped.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Yeah, but there are some constants. Murder is bad, stealing is bad, ect.
    Absolutely, but those are not derived from religion. Every society has rules against those things, and even atheists will agree with that.

    I was referring to "morals" that are unique to religion in that they are based solely on religious belief: It's a sin to eat these kinds of foods, it's a sin to not wear your hair in this specific way, it's a sin to have sex before marriage, it's a sin to allow a woman to own property, that sort of thing.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Absolutely, but those are not derived from religion. Every society has rules against those things, and even atheists will agree with that.
    Usually they are derived from religion, though.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Absolutely, but those are not derived from religion. Every society has rules against those things, and even atheists will agree with that.

    I was referring to "morals" that are unique to religion in that they are based solely on religious belief: It's a sin to eat these kinds of foods, it's a sin to not wear your hair in this specific way, it's a sin to have sex before marriage, it's a sin to allow a woman to own property, that sort of thing.
    So the good rules are from society, but the stupid ones are from religion?
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    And billions that were helped.
    Please, enlighten me on how peoples were helped through "religion."

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Please, enlighten me on how peoples were helped through "religion."
    It gives people hope and a sense of purpose. Religion, has certainly helped me through some rough spots. You can call it lies or a false hope, but God, whether a mirage or not, has helped many people just get through the day.
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