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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    To the OP...

    Religion doesn't harm people, humans harm people.

    If people actually followed the basic tenets of their faith, we probably wouldn't have so much violence, greed, and abuse in the world.

    But people are hypocrites.
    unless their religion called for certain punishments to certain crimes, like killing children who hit their parents, in whoch case, some of the tenets are best left ignored.
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    unless their religion called for certain punishments to certain crimes, like killing children who hit their parents, in whoch case, some of the tenets are best left ignored.
    Still... it is humans that make the choice. You cannot blame the book if your own hands are doing the killing. The book can't make you do anything.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    The only good I see from religion is charitable work and that is about it, I mean they have certainly made a difference with their work though. However we don't draw our morals from religion, I'm pretty sure most of the stuff we know is wrong is just from social and natural standards. Speaking in a Darwin sense it isn't beneficiary to our species to kill people so naturally we shun murder.

    The bad of religion though, well it's pretty rough but Christianity seems to have been over that hill and is coming down. Still it won't be long before Atheism really explodes in America, It already kind of is. It's already doing so in Europe and hopefully will do so in the U.S.
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    The only good I see from religion is charitable work and that is about it, I mean they have certainly made a difference with their work though. However we don't draw our morals from religion, I'm pretty sure most of the stuff we know is wrong is just from social and natural standards. Speaking in a Darwin sense it isn't beneficiary to our species to kill people so naturally we shun murder.
    that's untrue, in purely darwinistic terms, murder is good for our species as it weeds out the people who are unable to defend themselves adequately, and therefore weaker.
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Does your church house homeless people or spend 24 hours a day counseling suicidal people?

    As far as pastoral work goes, it's a good gig for someone who can find a gullible herd to support him/her. Most of the pastors in my area, with a decent-sized congregation, make far more money than I do.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    I think most/many people are generally prone to be manipulated and to be followers.

    I think most/many people care more about self interest then other interest.

    I think there are definitely individuals in this world who have "evil" or extremely selfish and destructive views that are also highly manipulative.

    I think by and large, most of the "attrocities" that have occured with regards to religion have occured in part due to individuals in that third group using it simply as a tool or a justification to then use those in the first group. I think for many of those situations abscent religion something else similar would've likely been used to spur a similar situation to occur.

    I think by and large, much of the good that religion has helped cause...rather out of inspiration, fear, guilt, or enlightenment...goes against basic human nature found in group two and as such I beleive would have been far less likely to have occured sans religion.

    This does not touch on the good it does in regards to peace of mind for individuals, nor the harm in the past of scientific advancement, but I think most of the issues fitting into both spectrums are dealt with with the above.

    So by and large, I think religion in general has done more good than harm.

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Such as?

    I just don't know how you could possibly know this. Again, if some psycho murders his entire family because he believed that Jesus wanted him to, the same thing would be likely to happen even in some alternate universe without religion.
    The Children's Crusade would not have happened. The Spanish Inquisition et al would not have happened (torturing and condemning to death people for not converting to Catholicism). . . .9/11 happened purely because of people's religious issues. The Catholic/Protestant conflicts wouldn't have happened. israel and Iran might not hate eachother so deeply. And people wouldn't be rioting and having hissy fits - and killing others in the process - just because an image of Mohammad was depicted in a magazine

    If you want to believe that these things would have happened without their religions then that's you're opinion - I see that religion was a the hardcore reason and pure center of the issue.
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The Children's Crusade would not have happened. The Spanish Inquisition et al would not have happened (torturing and condemning to death people for not converting to Catholicism). . . .9/11 happened purely because of people's religious issues. The Catholic/Protestant conflicts wouldn't have happened. israel and Iran might not hate eachother so deeply. And people wouldn't be rioting and having hissy fits - and killing others in the process - just because an image of Mohammad was depicted in a magazine

    If you want to believe that these things would have happened without their religions then that's you're opinion - I see that religion was a the hardcore reason and pure center of the issue.
    And what things would happen if people didn't have a God to compel them to be moral?
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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    And what things would happen if people didn't have a God to compel them to be moral?
    I don't have a god that compels me to be moral, and I still manage not to kill people almost every single day. Shockers!

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    Re: Religion (not spirituality) has Done More Harm than Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    I'll agree with that.

    I will also say that most of these people would have their hearts in the right place even without religion. If there were no religion in the world, nice people would still be nice people.
    I do not know about that....Do we have a direct tie-in with religion and violence?
    Or is it just fear and ignorance ?

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