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Will Obama's support of the Mosque hurt him/the dems in November?

Will Obama's support of the Mosque hurt him/the dems in November?

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I think that significant numbers, on both sides of the aisle, view this as an abomination and are frustrated because legally, their hands are tied. I think more Americans think this is a bad idea than a good one.

However, most American's understand that the cost of sacrificing the very core of American ideals and tenents is a worse idea than allowing this mosque. Those who do not understand that, wouldn't vote for Obama anyways. So, no. Taking the correct position on this debacle, will not hurt Obama. In fact, I think most Americans sense his own frustration about having to take the position that is the correct one, rather than the emotional one. A lot of us share that frustration.

All that being said, I am SURE some pundits out there, famous for causing wedge distractions, will play it for all it's worth. And as sure as the sun rises, some sheep will follow. But the next election will be all about the pocketbook.
 
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Captain America said:
I think that significant numbers, on both sides of the aisle, view this as an abomination and are frustrated because legally, their hands are tied. I think more Americans think this is a bad idea than a good one.

However, most American's understand that the cost of sacrificing the very core of American ideals and tenents is a worse idea than allowing this mosque. Those who do not understand that, wouldn't vote for Obama anyways. So, no. Taking the correct position on this debacle, will not hurt Obama. In fact, I think most Americans sense his own frustration about having to take the position that is the correct one, rather than the emotional one. A lot of us share that frustration.
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Very nicely put.
 
ptif219 said:
It must already be hurting him since he is already back pedaling.

Mosque flap swirls around Obama - James Hohmann and Maggie Haberman and Mike Allen - POLITICO.com

But on Saturday, Obama seemed to contradict himself, telling reporters at one point, “I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That's what our country is about. And I think it's very important as difficult as some of these issues are that we stay focused on who we are as a people and what our values are all about."
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That is what I heard him say, and why I said I was in agreement with him. Now it seems people are saying that was a back peddle. No surprise I guess. I really do try to find things that I agree with the president on but it is extremely difficult.
Can anyone help me out. What has Obama ever done that you think that I, as a conservative should agree with?
I thought this was one, but maybe not.
 
Barbbtx said:
That is what I heard him say, and why I said I was in agreement with him. Now it seems people are saying that was a back peddle. No surprise I guess. I really do try to find things that I agree with the president on but it is extremely difficult.
Can anyone help me out. What has Obama ever done that you think that I, as a conservative should agree with?
I thought this was one, but maybe not.
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It was not a backpedal, it was a clarification. Your heard his original words correctly. The problem is some tried to twist it into something else, so he clarified.

Things you as a conservative may agree with(I dislike "should", you are the only one to judge that):

Tax cuts for individuals.
Tax breaks for small businesses
Aggressively pursued the war on terror in Afghanistan.

There are I am sure more, but those off the top of my head. However, I do point out that since conservatives and liberals have different visions on how to make the country better, most of what he does is not going to be liked by you or other conservatives, in the same way I disliked most of what Bush and Reagan did.
 
Barbbtx said:
That is what I heard him say, and why I said I was in agreement with him. Now it seems people are saying that was a back peddle. No surprise I guess. I really do try to find things that I agree with the president on but it is extremely difficult.
Can anyone help me out. What has Obama ever done that you think that I, as a conservative should agree with?
I thought this was one, but maybe not.
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Hey! My journalism prof was from Weatherford, TX!
 
Barbbtx said:
I've only been here a few yrs, but I love it. It's very friendly like I find most of Texas to be.
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I'm Texas born, Texas bred and when I die I will be Texas dead.

Honored to meet you ma'am.
 
Redress said:
It was not a backpedal, it was a clarification. Your heard his original words correctly. The problem is some tried to twist it into something else, so he clarified.

Things you as a conservative may agree with(I dislike "should", you are the only one to judge that):

Tax cuts for individuals.
Tax breaks for small businesses
Aggressively pursued the war on terror in Afghanistan.

There are I am sure more, but those off the top of my head. However, I do point out that since conservatives and liberals have different visions on how to make the country better, most of what he does is not going to be liked by you or other conservatives, in the same way I disliked most of what Bush and Reagan did.
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Yes I agree with those things if he would do them on a larger scale. He needs to give tax cuts to small business not tax breaks. He needs to do something about the HC bill that is holding back small business.
I mostly approve of the way he is handling the wars.
 
Groucho said:
I was going overboard in reaction to Scarecrow whose views are about as anti-American as can be, in my opinion.

I still hold that people who are anti-Muslim and anti-gay and anti-immigrant and anti-atheist aren't going to vote for democrats anyway.
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Scarecrow is often wrong and way off base, do you really want to be looked at in the same way? I would hold that the people you describe aren't even likely to vote, because they'll be too busy in gang clashes and other criminal activity.
 
earthworm said:
An expected response from an extreme-conservative.
Independent? My foot!
If the tea-baggers make a big deal of of this, it will backfire....We are NOT a nation of bigots and racists. True, the percentage is higher than it should be.....
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Extremem conservative has nothing to do with it. Indulging in the use of the word 'tea bagger' puts you on the same level as Scarecrow with the ignorant word choices he displays. Congratulations.
 
Rightwingnutjob said:
Scarecrow is often wrong and way off base,.
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Got any facts to back it up?

Nope.

You haven't even defined often, even.

Unlike you, I process all events as a libertarian. That, my friend, is as American as it gets.

BTW, how many years did you serve before you got your DD214?
 
Redress said:
Or it could be that people where, once again, twisting his words, so he made it absolutely clear what he was saying.
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No.

The reality is that on Friday he spoke to make the muslims he grew up with and respect happy, and on Saturday he spoke the back-pedal words he knew on Friday he was going to have to speak to appease those silly people in America who might still be stupid enough to vote for a Democrat in November and the Democrats running for office in November, too.

The concept of tolerance and respect means the terrorists pretending this monument to 9-11 is a expression of sensitivity should concede that they're not wanted THERE, and graciously MOVE to some other less sensitive location.

If the Messiah in the White House had been a real American he would have been sensitive to American sensititivies and said as much on Friday.

Yet once again, the Messiah has uttered another statement around the golf shoe jammed in his mouth.

And once again, the gullible people Lenin fondly called "useful idiots" are doing their best to give the Messiah and the terrorists a free pass.
 
Rightwingnutjob said:
Answer the poll and explain below; what do you think?
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I have no problem the mosque being built near ground zero. I have no problem with Obama supporting the mosque being built, Obama not giving a rats ass if the mosque is being built or Obama simply not wanting to throw the 1st amendment out the window just because a bunch of people trying to pin 9-11 on a single religion(Only if Obama actually cared other constitutional rights). After all its not AL Queada, Taliban or some other terrorist group building the mosque,so them building a mosque near ground zero is not a monument to terrorists. That said I think the idiots who oppose the mosque will be apathetic about the issue by November to no longer even give a rats ass about the ground zero mosque. Now if this happened a week before November then it might hurt the Dems because the outrage would still be too fresh.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No.

The reality is that on Friday he spoke to make the muslims he grew up with and respect happy, and on Saturday he spoke the back-pedal words he knew on Friday he was going to have to speak to appease those silly people in America who might still be stupid enough to vote for a Democrat in November and the Democrats running for office in November, too.

The concept of tolerance and respect means the terrorists pretending this monument to 9-11 is a expression of sensitivity should concede that they're not wanted THERE, and graciously MOVE to some other less sensitive location.

If the Messiah in the White House had been a real American he would have been sensitive to American sensititivies and said as much on Friday.

Yet once again, the Messiah has uttered another statement around the golf shoe jammed in his mouth.

And once again, the gullible people Lenin fondly called "useful idiots" are doing their best to give the Messiah and the terrorists a free pass.
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Conspiracy Theories
 
I really don't think it will have any affect all, however if it does so be it. A president should take a stance that he thinks is correct and Constitutional. I really don't believe President Obama stance on this is any different than President Bush's stance would be.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Got any facts to back it up?

Nope.

You haven't even defined often, even.

Unlike you, I process all events as a libertarian. That, my friend, is as American as it gets.

BTW, how many years did you serve before you got your DD214?
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You constant use of terms such as "The Messiah" places you off base. Your theories that aline themselves with conspiratists, means you're likely often wrong. I need not go back through threads and pick through your posts. I don't expect you to agree and that's fine. There's a lot of people on the internet who's opinions are 100% wrong (if for no other reason than they contradict mine). If you are a libertarian perhaps, you should change your declared "Lean" to show that.

What does my service or lack thereof have anything to do with this thread or anything in this thread? I have never served, not that it is any of your business.
 
Captain America said:
I'm Texas born, Texas bred and when I die I will be Texas dead.

Honored to meet you ma'am.
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LOL
I'm jealous. I wasn't born/bred here, but got here as soon as I could. Plan to be Texas dead someday. :)
 
Redress said:
Seems highly unlikely. The economy will be the overriding issue in November.
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I believe Obama's dithering on whetever he meant he said will be of some importance.
 
Ultimately he will come out unscathed, upholding the rights of freedom of religion and private property will not a loss make.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Its yet one more act to show the Messiah's insensitivity to the feelings of real Americans. He's not a real American, so it's not surprising he doesn't understand us. He didn't watch the fourth of July fireworks when he was four, his father never took him to a baseball game when his six, the people who raised him almost universally hated the United States. What's to wonder about here?

So what if he takes a position pleasing to the muslim imams he was influenced by in his youth? Right?

But for everything he screws up, and that means everything he does, he alienates more voters. He's been so effective at alienating voters he's now cutting into his support from the Dumocrats themselves. He's setting the stage for a Hillary prmary victory in 2012.
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I must disagree - simply because a small percentage of muslims did something so awful does not mean that ALL Muslims should have their rights AS AMERICANS taken away. We're talking about a group of people who want to practice their religion in a way that will not restrict the freedoms of others on private property. Please tell me an American reason as to why we should restrict them? I don't think he is being un-American and I don't think the feelings of America should restrict the rights of one religion more than another. And let me assure you, I am no Obama-supporter in the least. But I am an America-supporter.
 
jujuman13 said:
I believe Obama's dithering on whetever he meant he said will be of some importance.
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He did not "dither" though. He made a clear statement, and when people tried to make it out to be something else, he repeated that he said only what he said. It's not his fault people distorted his words, and any rational person will see that.
 
Redress said:
Or it could be that people where, once again, twisting his words, so he made it absolutely clear what he was saying.
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Twisting his words?.... or placing his words in context with what he is doing?

Why are we U.S. taxpayers funding a mission trip to increase worldwide understanding of American Islam, and when can we expect to fund a similar trip on behalf of Christianity?

New York Post’s Geoff Earle and Brendan Scott report, “The imam behind a plan to build a mosque near Ground Zero is set to depart on a multi-country jaunt to the Middle East funded by the State Department -- raising concerns that taxpayers may be helping him with the controversial project's $100 million fund-raising goal.”
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U.S. Taxpayers Fund Ground Zero Mosque Imam’s Islamic Mission Trip -- Christian Blogs | Everyday Christian

Remember that? Who is the cheif executive in charge of the Secretary of State?... and why are American tax payers paying for this fund raising trip?

Crowley said no fund-raising for the mosque and cultural center during the trip would be permitted. "That would not be something he could do as part of our program," he said.

Abdul Rauf said funds for the center will come from Muslims and members of his congregation.

But a London-based Arabic-language newspaper that interviewed Abdul Rauf reported that he says he also will collect money from Muslim and Arab nations around the world -- raising the possibility his goodwill mission could help him build contacts in oil-rich states.

"Does the State Department have any idea they are sending a guy to the Middle East who is going to be fund-raising perhaps among the very same people he will be meeting with?" asked Debra Burlingame, a 9/11 family member
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Read more: Imam behind support for Ground Zero mosque, Feisal Abdul Rauf may do fundraising on Federally funded trip - NYPOST.com

Actions speak louder than words in my world.
 
Barbbtx said:
LOL
I'm jealous. I wasn't born/bred here, but got here as soon as I could. Plan to be Texas dead someday. :)
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They know how to fix that......... sorry, resistance was futile. :mrgreen:
 
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