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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

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    broken clocks and monkey's banging on typewriters, eh?
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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    but simply because something is legal does not make it right, or necessarily wise. and it certainly doesn't cause it to cease being offensive.
    But since there's no right not to be offended, what difference does it make? Someone always gets offended, they need to get over it.
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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That culture has only changed because they're being dragged, kicking and screaming by the general public. Had it not been for the billions of dollars they've lost and will lose to lawsuits, they'd still be doing it.
    of course, you don't know that.

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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    of course, you don't know that.
    The evidence seems to strongly suggest it. Considering official church doctrine, written by the current Pope, was to never report cases of child molestation to authorities, and in fact to specifically hide it from the authorities, I'd say that's a pretty good indication of their true desires. If they cared more about kids than they do about their image and money, they'd have never put such a policy in place.
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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The evidence seems to strongly suggest it. Considering official church doctrine, written by the current Pope, was to never report cases of child molestation to authorities, and in fact to specifically hide it from the authorities, I'd say that's a pretty good indication of their true desires. If they cared more about kids than they do about their image and money, they'd have never put such a policy in place.
    Since there is such an official church doctrine, surely you are able to post it here and remove any doubt that your opinion is correct.
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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Since there is such an official church doctrine, surely you are able to post it here and remove any doubt that your opinion is correct.


    That's not hard to do.

    40 years ago, Pope John XXIII wrote "Crimine solicitationies", a 69-page document, bearing his official seal, that was sent out to all the bishops in the church. The document requires that no record of sexual abuse cases be kept where it may be accessed by the public, all records must "be diligently stored in the secret archives of the Curia [Vatican] as strictly confidential. Nor is it to be published nor added to with any commentaries." It also required that all victims be compelled to take an oath of secrecy when reporting the complaint to church officials, under religious threat if they do not comply. Bishops are instructed to pursue these cases "in the most secretive way... restrained by a perpetual silence... and everyone... is to observe the strictest secret which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office... under the penalty of excommunication".

    Then-Cardinal Ratzinger, in 2001, sent a letter to all the bishops in the church stating that said law regarding strict secrecy in sex abuse cases was still in effect, effectively threatening anyone who would dare bring such cases to public light.

    None of this is at all secret information, it's freely available for anyone who wants to look for it.
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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's not hard to do.

    40 years ago, Pope John XXIII wrote "Crimine solicitationies", a 69-page document, bearing his official seal, that was sent out to all the bishops in the church. The document requires that no record of sexual abuse cases be kept where it may be accessed by the public, all records must "be diligently stored in the secret archives of the Curia [Vatican] as strictly confidential. Nor is it to be published nor added to with any commentaries." It also required that all victims be compelled to take an oath of secrecy when reporting the complaint to church officials, under religious threat if they do not comply. Bishops are instructed to pursue these cases "in the most secretive way... restrained by a perpetual silence... and everyone... is to observe the strictest secret which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office... under the penalty of excommunication".

    Then-Cardinal Ratzinger, in 2001, sent a letter to all the bishops in the church stating that said law regarding strict secrecy in sex abuse cases was still in effect, effectively threatening anyone who would dare bring such cases to public light.

    None of this is at all secret information, it's freely available for anyone who wants to look for it.
    OK, I did your homework for you, and it appears you may be right. Here is a link to the story.

    Has anyone else heard of this document?
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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    I believe that it is wrong to tell any religion where they can or cannot practice. I am following with my beliefs, but I would greatly prefer if the Catholic church would REMOVE priest and others when they are convicted of molestation, rather than moving them to a new location. The lack of punishment shows the offenders that they can molest children and then escape unpunished to a new location.
    No, we should not be allowed to tell them where they can and cannot build a church, but it is still the communities choice to donate to that specific church. It is legal to build next to schools and playgrounds, but not preferable.

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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is exactly comparable. A handful of muslims fly into the buildings just like a handful of catholics priests molest some kids. The only difference is that when a group of muslims that do not have anything to do with the terrorist want to build a mosque everyone acts as though they are building the mosque to rub the 9-11 attacks in their face. But yet if the catholic church wanted to build a church near a day care, elementary school, preschool a chuckie cheese pizza or some other place where lots of children hang out no one would give a rats ass. They would probably say "oh how wonderful the catholic church is building a church in that area, they'll probably help out a lot of people". But some muslims want a build a mosque and a lot of idiots act as though it was al queada, hezbollah, the taliban or some other muslim terrorist group building the mosque trying to rub the 9-11 attacks in the noses of the victims and their relatives.
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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    I believe we should make it a criminal offense for teachers to be around any school also. They seem fairly fond of molesting the kids.
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