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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That said, I'd say its not exactly comparable to similar situations going on in the modern day...such as the mosque near ground zero...due to the scope of the situation there on a national level that it touches a vast majority of citizens the country over and has became a sort of monument to history in our country that people travel to visit where as a daycare that had a dozen kids molested is likely not going to be somewhere that people routinely go and visit and would be unlikely to even still remain in business or open at that point anyways.
    It is exactly comparable. A handful of muslims fly into the buildings just like a handful of catholics priests molest some kids. The only difference is that when a group of muslims that do not have anything to do with the terrorist want to build a mosque everyone acts as though they are building the mosque to rub the 9-11 attacks in their face. But yet if the catholic church wanted to build a church near a day care, elementary school, preschool a chuckie cheese pizza or some other place where lots of children hang out no one would give a rats ass. They would probably say "oh how wonderful the catholic church is building a church in that area, they'll probably help out a lot of people". But some muslims want a build a mosque and a lot of idiots act as though it was al queada, hezbollah, the taliban or some other muslim terrorist group building the mosque trying to rub the 9-11 attacks in the noses of the victims and their relatives.
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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ahh, I get you; my bad. Still I think Priests should be allowed to marry again.
    Right, because you know when men are denied sexual relations, what's the first thing they do? Certainly not seek out adult women who might want an affair or go to a prostitute! No, all men seek out young boys.

    Do you realize how ridiculous the idea is that "if only they could marry they'd stop molesting children"? Married people NOW molest children. If you were prohibited from having sex for some reason, would you then go out an prey on children yourself?

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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, they should -- if we were to find dogma within the Catholic Church that pedophilia was accepted behavior.
    It doesn't matter if it's in their dogma, it's certainly within their practice that pedophilia is accepted, they've been protecting pedophile priests from prosecution for decades and moving known pedophiles around within their ranks whenever it comes to light.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    When were they allowed to marry before?
    from like 1 to 1050 something AD. They changed it because of wealth and land issues, so that there could be no inheritances.
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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, they should -- if we were to find dogma within the Catholic Church that pedophilia was accepted behavior.
    there is NO dogma in the church that finds pedophilia acceptable. wow.

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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not know anything about the catholic bible other than it is slightly similar to the christian bible. As far as I know with the christian bible it doesn't say anything about child molestation. Therefore it could be implied that it was okay as long as the molester was married to his victim and seeing how the catholic bible is similar to the christian bible it probably doesn't say anything about child molestation either.
    it is NOT just slightly similar, it's nearly identical, with the exception of a few added books.

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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Right, because you know when men are denied sexual relations, what's the first thing they do? Certainly not seek out adult women who might want an affair or go to a prostitute! No, all men seek out young boys.

    Do you realize how ridiculous the idea is that "if only they could marry they'd stop molesting children"? Married people NOW molest children. If you were prohibited from having sex for some reason, would you then go out an prey on children yourself?
    Did you understand what I had written there? Because jamesrage put up the stats, and I said I understood what he meant, I misinterpreted. Then I said, Still I tihnk priensts should be allowed to marry again. That statement is separate! Jesus. I accepted his argument that it wouldn't help for anything about sexual molestation; but maintain that it would be better for the Church overall to allow priests to marry again. How tough is it to understand the English language?
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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It doesn't matter if it's in their dogma, it's certainly within their practice that pedophilia is accepted, they've been protecting pedophile priests from prosecution for decades and moving known pedophiles around within their ranks whenever it comes to light.
    yes, they have done that. not, however, becasue they ACCEPT it, but because they didn't want to deal with scandal. and that culture is changing.

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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, point me to some Biblical scripture that condones it, and I'll believe it. Onous on you. You prove there is.
    Why did you even make the post, since you have no proof of your "if" scenario?
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    Re: Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & dayc

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is exactly comparable. A handful of muslims fly into the buildings just like a handful of catholics priests molest some kids. The only difference is that when a group of muslims that do not have anything to do with the terrorist want to build a mosque everyone acts as though they are building the mosque to rub the 9-11 attacks in their face. But yet if the catholic church wanted to build a church near a day care, elementary school, preschool a chuckie cheese pizza or some other place where lots of children hang out no one would give a rats ass. They would probably say "oh how wonderful the catholic church is building a church in that area, they'll probably help out a lot of people". But some muslims want a build a mosque and a lot of idiots act as though it was al queada, hezbollah, the taliban or some other muslim terrorist group building the mosque trying to rub the 9-11 attacks in the noses of the victims and their relatives.
    Absolutely incorrect and here’s why.

    First, your scenario that you lay out does not include in any way that Catholics actually molested any children AT said school or AT said day care. However, Muslims unquestionably DID attack the World Trade Center. To properly compare the two people would have to be stating that Muslims should be barred from building mosques near ANY sky scrapers because some muslims attacked a sky scraper before. To date, I’ve heard exactly zero people suggesting such a thing.

    Second, part of the reason SOME people are upset about the Mosque being built in New York is due to their belief of that location having a sort of “monument” or “national land mark” type of feel, similar to the U.S.S. Arizon in Hawaii, feel to it. That it is a place that people across the entire country will, and already have, wish to travel to to remember the history that happened there and to confront their emotions that the event stirs up. Based on that, SOME of us feels that placing a holy site dedicated to the ideology that was used, granted in a way that is considered extreme, to justify and incite those attacks and those that participated in it is adding undue additional burden on the emotions of thousands and thousands that will travel there for emotional release and remembrance and will then be confronted with triggers that dredge up the worst memories of that time.

    Even if we assumed your analogy wasn’t flawed and that the daycare or school had kids that were actually molested by catholics attending them it would still not be a fair, direct, exact comparison to suggest one must be for one and against another because of the above reason. A place that was frequented by a number of molested kids is not going to become essentially a national land mark that people the country over attempt to visit and should be free of triggers that stir up the worst of feelings or engorge the worst of feelings further when arriving there. I have a historical correlation I can point at with regards to it happening for Ground Zero, by pointing to the Arizona. I can even point to Ground Zero and people visiting there over the past decade. Point me to a situation where a place where kids were molested or killed is frequently visited by thousands upon thousands of people yearly for the purpose of seeing said place?

    Thirdly, the scale. I think it’s realistic to say that there’s few Americans over the age of 8 that don’t know of 9/11 in some form, shape, or way. A molestation can happen in a town and 5 years later the majority of those in that town barely remember it unless they were connected to it in some way. The amount of people its going to affect in a negative way is another legitimate difference and another legitimate way one could feel differently with regards to the banning, or the tactlessness, of one but not the other.

    So I have given you three distinct ways in which your scenario….that a catholic church opens up next to a place that is frequented by children without any mention of any possible Catholic molestation of any of said children….is not directly and equally comparable to a mosque at ground zero….a situation where said religion unquestionably had an impact on that specific location. Please, if I’m wrong in any of those arguments, highlight it for me. If I’m not wrong but you have a counter, please enlighten me. However simply saying “They’re the same” doesn’t exactly cut it.

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