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John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights Act

Do you agree with John Stossel?

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MaggieD said:
Posting a sign isn't the same thing as refusing service in his restaurant. But one would have to ask, "What black man in his right mind would go into that restaurant?" Just proves we need Civil Rights Laws. But never fear, they aren't going anyplace.
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It's way out in the boonies but it's close enough to me that I drove by it.

He has two mannequins in the window with Klan outfits on and nooses with black children on the menu.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
It's way out in the boonies but it's close enough to me that I drove by it.

He has two mannequins in the window with Klan outfits on and nooses with black children on the menu.
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So much for the theory that, if the Civil Rights Act were repealed, places who DID keep blacks out would go out of the business. The fact that anyone eats at this restaurant tells me the area's filled with racists. Why woud anyone eat in his restaurant if that wasn't true?
 
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MaggieD said:
So much for the theory that, if the Civil Rights Act were repealed, places who DID keep blacks out would go out of the business. The fact that anyone eats at this restaurant tells me the area's filled with racists. Why woud anyone eat in his restaurant if that wasn't true?
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It's actually a bar out in the middle of nowhere.

I think it stays in business because it's a novelty.
There is another place inside Atlanta that won't serve whites, it stays in business as well.
I was directly denied service.

Edit add: the point is that these places are the exception and not the rule.
Those restaurants won't become the big chain businesses and won't express these policies nationwide.
Eventually they will be relegated to the history books.
 
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Harshaw said:
Bull. ****.

This "reasoning" can be applied to anything. "The government protects your ass, so they can make you X." It's not hard to figure out Xes even you would find offensive.

Think before you type, dude.
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That's funny, I don't see either your vote or your opinion on the matter. I realize what I wrote was NOT the Constitutional reasoning that was used. Let me be crystal clear though. If my taxes are being used, and they are, to provide a safe business environment for you, then you have no right to exclude me from you private place of business. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.

Private businesses are not as private as you may think.
 
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The Uncola said:
Thankls for completely missing the point. Bigots don't have a "right" to ply their trade in a public venue. Don't like it? Too effen bad.
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Then deny them the right: don't purchase from them.
 
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pbrauer said:
That's funny, I don't see either your vote or your opinion on the matter. I realize what I wrote was NOT the Constitutional reasoning that was used. Let me be crystal clear though. If my taxes are being used, and they are, to provide a safe business environment for you, then you have no right to exclude me from you private place of business. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.

Private businesses are not as private as you may think.
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Hey, my taxes do the same thing for you. I have a list of things I do and don't want you to do. Would you like to see it?

It's not only not "constitutional reasoning," your scheme is antithetical to the entire notion of a free society. You would make everyone a slave of the state.
 
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Harshaw said:
You would make everyone a slave of the state.
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Even more of a slave than we are now? I already work half the year to do nothing but fatten the government coffers.
 
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Coronado said:
Even more of a slave than we are now? I already work half the year to do nothing but fatten the government coffers.
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Perhaps. But at least there are currently some things the government doesn't think it can force you to do, though it's a dwindling list. Pete's scheme gives them unlimited authority to do so.
 
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I concur with John.
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Well while you may agree with my post, my intention was to make a mockery of the idea. If a black store owner or muslim store owner refused to serve a white one how long do you think that would fly? I guess that a private business should get to have the right to make "white" and "colored" restrooms and tables as well?

So whites can't be victims of racism? That's funny because I've dealt with racism as an adolecent. I hate racism but the law is not the way to bring about change. Boycotts, education, communication are how to bring about social change.

Plus, whites today are legally discriminated against today *cough affirmitive action cough*.

A private business is the same as a home IMHO.
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Boo hoo your a white and you "dealt" with racism. Get over it.

Never until recently have I heard of a rising opinion of people that would like to take rights away from Americans, and never before has the Consitution or Bill of Rights been used to do such a thing. First this 14th amendment fad and now this. It's a worrying trend that is born from all these little AstroTurf movements
 
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Harshaw said:
Hey, my taxes do the same thing for you. I have a list of things I do and don't want you to do. Would you like to see it?

It's not only not "constitutional reasoning," your scheme is antithetical to the entire notion of a free society. You would make everyone a slave of the state.
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I still don't see either your vote or opinion on the matter. :2razz:
You freedom stops when it impinges upon my freedom. That's the cost you pay for living in a civilized society. Go to Somalia if you want absolute freedom.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

@John,
So racism is only wrong against a certain group?

I'm against all racism and discrimination.

Judging from your post, I guess you're the one who's selective.

No need to get pissy. I was proving a point.
 
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Johnny said:
@John,
So racism is only wrong against a certain group?

I'm against all racism and discrimination.

Judging from your post, I guess you're the one who's selective.

No need to get pissy. I was proving a point.
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No I question how bad your "racism" was. Dude your white. Your the best color to be. Get over it.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

You have a lot to learn.
 
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Barbbtx said:
I think white businesses would stay the same.
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what do you mean, stay the same?
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

peepnklown said:
I cannot concur. I think the current method encourages the state (parent) and individual (child) society. You cannot force people to like each other, it must come from them.
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no, you can't force them to like each other, that's true. but you can force them to keep their personal prejudices out of business. at least, in theory.
 
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Johnny said:
You have a lot to learn.
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Judging by your attitude towards the issue I think you got quite a bit more to learn. You're one of these "reverse racism" proporters aren't you?
 
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JohnWOlin said:
Dude your white. Your the best color to be. Get over it.
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Not where I grew up it wasn't. I'm not going to get into my personal life any more in depth.

Get over it? So I'm supposed to just erase **** that happened because it's in the past?

GTFO.
 
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JohnWOlin said:
Judging by your attitude towards the issue I think you got quite a bit more to learn. You're one of these "reverse racism" proporters aren't you?
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There's no such thing as reverse racism.

Racism is racism.
 
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Johnny said:
Not where I grew up it wasn't. I'm not going to get into my personal life any more in depth.

Get over it? So I'm supposed to just erase **** that happened because it's in the past?

GTFO.
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No because you aren't going to convince me or anyone with half a brain that you ever had it worse. I went to a school in South Carolina where the majority of the students were black (about 3 whites and 18 blacks in every class) and I still got a free card most the time. Where did you grow up? Bizzaro World?
 
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pbrauer said:
I still don't see either your vote or opinion on the matter. :2razz:
You freedom stops when it impinges upon my freedom. That's the cost you pay for living in a civilized society. Go to Somalia if you want absolute freedom.
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And going into a store owned by that person, and forcing them to do what you want with their property is impinging on their freedom. Freedom of association is a two way street. All parties have to consent for it to be free.
 
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pbrauer said:
You freedom stops when it impinges upon my freedom.
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You have no freedom to do business with me if I don't want to. Your taxes do not obligate me to contract with you.
 
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Harshaw said:
You have no freedom to do business with me if I don't want to. Your taxes do not obligate me to contract with you.
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taxes don't, the law does.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

MaggieD said:
That's kind of akin to saying, "We've all learned our lesson." We haven't. We've got a long way to go.
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Typical left wing racial babble...."We have a long way to go." Yeah a loooooooooooooong way, in fact there's been no improvement compared to what's needed. :roll: If you're talking about the victims, they may have a long way to go because they haven't stepped up, because guys like Jackson and Sharpton have kept them down.


Here's a related thread.... http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/78982-race-wrongs-and-remedies.html

This thread shows us what the problem is. Even after 40 years, black rights leaders are singing the same tune....."we have a long ways to go". It's nothing more than a shakedown of the public sentiment. We've led the horse to water, it's time to lean forward and drink.
 
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MaggieD said:
Knew that!! Ha!



Doesn't tell me as much as maybe it tells you, Right. I'm a Realtor in suburban Chicago. I have been involved in a number of instances where my client told me right up front, "I'm not selling to Blacks." That's when ya' push your chair back from the table, and say, "Find somebody else to list your house. I'm not going to jail." (Realtors who even ACKNOWLEDGE a statement like that are in soooo much trouble.) Also had two sellers who refused to sign contracts when they found out the buyers were Black. In both instances, my broker and I pointed to the error of their ways clearly enough so that they SIGNED. But they never would have signed without a serious Come ta' Jesus meeting. On the buy end, when I've represented Blacks, I've had Sellers say things to me when I've shown their home that clearly indicate prejudice is alive and kickin' -- even in Chicago. Imagine the south.

Remember Denny's a few years back? Some restaurant in the south refused to seat blacks? It'd spring up so fast it'd make people's heads swim.
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I doubt it.
 
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American said:
Typical left wing racial babble...."We have a long way to go." Yeah a loooooooooooooong way, in fact there's been no improvement compared to what's needed. :roll: If you're talking about the victims, they may have a long way to go because they haven't stepped up, because guys like Jackson and Sharpton have kept them down.


Here's a related thread.... http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/78982-race-wrongs-and-remedies.html

This thread shows us what the problem is. Even after 40 years, black rights leaders are singing the same tune....."we have a long ways to go". It's nothing more than a shakedown of the public sentiment. We've led the horse to water, it's time to lean forward and drink.
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Do you ever actually talk to black people about this, or are you just some kind of expert?
 
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