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Thread: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights Act

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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm being 100% serious - I grew up in a largely white rural town in upstate NY and I never once saw anything approaching the level of casual racism and pervasive racial tension that you see in NYC. Friends from all over the south say the same thing.

    There have been five large race riots in the last 20 years:

    LA
    Seattle
    Oakland
    NYC
    Cincinnati

    Not a southern city among them.
    We get along pretty well here.
    It would surprise most people, who think The South is a bastion of "hate them dern blacks."
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm being 100% serious - I grew up in a largely white rural town in upstate NY and I never once saw anything approaching the level of casual racism and pervasive racial tension that you see in NYC. Friends from all over the south say the same thing.

    There have been five large race riots in the last 20 years:

    LA
    Seattle
    Oakland
    NYC
    Cincinnati

    Not a southern city among them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    We get along pretty well here.
    It would surprise most people, who think The South is a bastion of "hate them dern blacks."
    I must admit I take my observations from my relatives in Kentucky -- and another forum I was on where people were using the Confederate Flag as a symbol of hate. I could sure be wrong.

    I'm not familiar with the race riot links posted. But all of these cities have a high concentration of blacks. I'm not sure (God!!! Somebody's gunna hit me right over the head!!) but who starts these race riots??
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I must admit I take my observations from my relatives in Kentucky -- and another forum I was on where people were using the Confederate Flag as a symbol of hate. I could sure be wrong.
    The vast majority of people here, who have a Confederate flag displayed, are not doing so for race based reasons.
    A lot of people here have direct family connections to those who served in the Civil War.
    Or it is regional pride, like a Yankees ballcap in NYC.


    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not familiar with the race riot links posted. But all of these cities have a high concentration of blacks. I'm not sure (God!!! Somebody's gunna hit me right over the head!!) but who starts these race riots??
    Not entirely sure about those.
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Why stop at blacks, mexicans, etc? Why not guys that look like gay pirates:




    old people:


    guys that commit adultery and leave their dying wives for someone else:


    I actually totally agree with him. Im going to open up a shop and only allow people I want in there.
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I must admit I take my observations from my relatives in Kentucky -- and another forum I was on where people were using the Confederate Flag as a symbol of hate. I could sure be wrong.

    I'm not familiar with the race riot links posted. But all of these cities have a high concentration of blacks. I'm not sure (God!!! Somebody's gunna hit me right over the head!!) but who starts these race riots??
    Each of those riots involved blacks and the cities in question do have substantial concentrations of blacks, but none of them are majority-black cities. Places like Atlanta or Memphis are majority-black cities but don't have the same level of racial tension (going off second-hand info here).
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Each of those riots involved blacks and the cities in question do have substantial concentrations of blacks, but none of them are majority-black cities. Places like Atlanta or Memphis are majority-black cities but don't have the same level of racial tension (going off second-hand info here).
    Isn't that interesting? I don't doubt you a bit. I did look up the Cincinnati race riot and that was touched off because a police officer shot a black suspect fleeing the scene. That was the 15th black male who'd been killed either BY police or died in police custody since 1995. Also a study had been done that showed that blacks were twice as likely as whites to be ticketed for not using seatbelts, driving w/o a license, driving w/o insurance. A culmination of factors. Does it prove that blacks are rowdy? Or that whites were prejudiced? Not sure. I do know something about Cincinnati. Many of the people who live and work there are from Kentucky. Don't know what that proves either.
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The vast majority of people here, who have a Confederate flag displayed, are not doing so for race based reasons.
    A lot of people here have direct family connections to those who served in the Civil War.
    Or it is regional pride, like a Yankees ballcap in NYC.
    As a kid, I was pretty enamored with the Civil War growing up. When my family went on vacation to several Civil War sites about 20 years ago, I bought a Confederate bandana and hung it up over my bed. The reason why I did so was 1) for regional pride and 2) because I was full of piss and vinegar and liked to snub my nose at authority.

    I don't have it up anymore, and I probably wouldn't put it up either. It's not because I'm ashamed of it or anything - it's just not part of my personal decor anymore. It's not my thing.

    But I do understand how people can use it as a symbol of regional pride and not just a symbol of hate. Even though the Confederate flag was used by rebellious states who seceded because of the injustice of slavery, we salute the U.S. flag every day the American government's institutionalized genocide against Native Americans. However, there is no call to change the U.S. flag for that reason.

    However, MaggieD specifically mentioned that some people were using the Confederate flag as a symbol of hate. That is something I can also understand. However, members of the KKK burn crosses at their rallies and on the property of their targets for terror. This means that the KKK uses the Christian cross as a symbol of hate. However, Christianity is not going to change the symbol of it's religion because of that, and people don't call all Christians hatemongers because they continue to use the cross as a symbol of their faith.

    I dunno - this may be off-topic for the thread, but I just wanted to address that issue.

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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Isn't that interesting? I don't doubt you a bit. I did look up the Cincinnati race riot and that was touched off because a police officer shot a black suspect fleeing the scene. That was the 15th black male who'd been killed either BY police or died in police custody since 1995. Also a study had been done that showed that blacks were twice as likely as whites to be ticketed for not using seatbelts, driving w/o a license, driving w/o insurance. A culmination of factors. Does it prove that blacks are rowdy? Or that whites were prejudiced? Not sure. I do know something about Cincinnati. Many of the people who live and work there are from Kentucky. Don't know what that proves either.
    To be clear, I'm not implying that blacks are "rowdy" or that whites are prejudiced, I'm just noting that the largest incidents of racial unrest in recent history have occurred in northern and western cities that are actually more diverse. In southern cities, including those that are majority-black, there's not the same type of violent strife.
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    As a kid, I was pretty enamored with the Civil War growing up. When my family went on vacation to several Civil War sites about 20 years ago, I bought a Confederate bandana and hung it up over my bed. The reason why I did so was 1) for regional pride and 2) because I was full of piss and vinegar and liked to snub my nose at authority.

    I don't have it up anymore, and I probably wouldn't put it up either. It's not because I'm ashamed of it or anything - it's just not part of my personal decor anymore. It's not my thing.

    But I do understand how people can use it as a symbol of regional pride and not just a symbol of hate. Even though the Confederate flag was used by rebellious states who seceded because of the injustice of slavery, we salute the U.S. flag every day the American government's institutionalized genocide against Native Americans. However, there is no call to change the U.S. flag for that reason.

    However, MaggieD specifically mentioned that some people were using the Confederate flag as a symbol of hate. That is something I can also understand. However, members of the KKK burn crosses at their rallies and on the property of their targets for terror. This means that the KKK uses the Christian cross as a symbol of hate. However, Christianity is not going to change the symbol of it's religion because of that, and people don't call all Christians hatemongers because they continue to use the cross as a symbol of their faith.

    I dunno - this may be off-topic for the thread, but I just wanted to address that issue.
    As long as it is understood that it isn't a universal symbol of "We Southerners hate black people" I'm cool.

    It's not the symbol but the persons usage that matters.
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Last I checked people of all races and backgrounds are capable of being bad tippers.

    If a SPECIFIC PERSON is a bad tipper, then yes I believe businesses should be able to deny service to that person.
    I lived with a TGIF waitress-manager. Even the black servers didn't like having blacks sat in their section. One girl, whose brother went to Harvard Law (and was in a class I was TA in many years ago while he was in college) noted that she hated waiting on blacks even though she was black. Why I asked her, I figure they'd tip you (she was very very pretty and a great server) really well.

    No she said, they usually stiff me and everyone else.

    I spent alot of time around servers-white-black, asian, many of them gay and liberal and they all said the same thing.



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