View Poll Results: Do you agree with John Stossel?

Voters
69. You may not vote on this poll
  • I Agree with John Stossel, this part of the Civil Rights Act Should Be Repealed

    35 50.72%
  • Absolutely NOT!!!!

    30 43.48%
  • I Don't Know

    4 5.80%
Page 3 of 30 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 291

Thread: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights Act

  1. #21
    Sage
    Barbbtx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    W'Ford TX
    Last Seen
    11-10-12 @ 08:04 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,467

    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'd like to think the best of people. But in the case of discrimination against Blacks orrrr the ethnic/racial group du jour, I have absolutely no faith in the American people to just simply do the right thing.
    I think white businesses would stay the same.

  2. #22
    Educator Jucon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    USA
    Last Seen
    04-22-14 @ 07:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    787

    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Someone please give a situation that this act currently forbids where a non-racist could refuse service to someone.

  3. #23
    Sage


    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    43,243
    Blog Entries
    43

    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    When the person said they didn't want to sell to blacks, why did you refuse to represent them - was it because you didn't want to go to jail or because you oppose racism?
    When you advised those people to follow through with the sales, did you do that because you were required to by law or because you thought it was the right thing to do?
    To HarryG, too...

    My personal feelings didn't enter into it. The way to get in a client's face when they come out with something like that is to make a really big impression. Saying what I said did that. I'm not trying to make a moral statement. I'm in business to make money. I wanted -- and got -- the client's listing with the clear understanding that there would be absolutey no racial discimination in the sale of his home. The second incident? I did it because I didn't want to get sued by HUD. That's the only power I had over the client, after all. Telling him, "Awwww, that's just not right," would get me thrown out of his house.

    Without Civil Rights laws, certainly in the area of real estate, our country would quickly revert to a segregated mess.

    Now, if my personal feelings are of interest to you, I do not consider myself prejudiced.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

  4. #24
    Sage


    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    43,243
    Blog Entries
    43

    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Someone please give a situation that this act currently forbids where a non-racist could refuse service to someone.
    If I understand your question, you're asking, "What other reason could a business refuse service to someone other than racism?" If that's your question, I would say that a restaurant could refuse service to anyone who was stereotyped as being a bad tipper, for example. Guess who fits that stereotype.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

  5. #25
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    To HarryG, too...

    My personal feelings didn't enter into it. The way to get in a client's face when they come out with something like that is to make a really big impression. Saying what I said did that. I'm not trying to make a moral statement. I'm in business to make money. I wanted -- and got -- the client's listing with the clear understanding that there would be absolutey no racial discimination in the sale of his home. The second incident? I did it because I didn't want to get sued by HUD. That's the only power I had over the client, after all. Telling him, "Awwww, that's just not right," would get me thrown out of his house.

    Without Civil Rights laws, certainly in the area of real estate, our country would quickly revert to a segregated mess.

    Now, if my personal feelings are of interest to you, I do not consider myself prejudiced.
    It pretty much already is, most of it is de facto segregation though.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  6. #26
    Clown Prince of Politics
    Psychoclown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Hiding from the voices in my head.
    Last Seen
    12-14-17 @ 09:31 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    1,738

    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Knew that!! Ha!



    Doesn't tell me as much as maybe it tells you, Right. I'm a Realtor in suburban Chicago. I have been involved in a number of instances where my client told me right up front, "I'm not selling to Blacks." That's when ya' push your chair back from the table, and say, "Find somebody else to list your house. I'm not going to jail." (Realtors who even ACKNOWLEDGE a statement like that are in soooo much trouble.) Also had two sellers who refused to sign contracts when they found out the buyers were Black. In both instances, my broker and I pointed to the error of their ways clearly enough so that they SIGNED. But they never would have signed without a serious Come ta' Jesus meeting. On the buy end, when I've represented Blacks, I've had Sellers say things to me when I've shown their home that clearly indicate prejudice is alive and kickin' -- even in Chicago. Imagine the south.

    Remember Denny's a few years back? Some restaurant in the south refused to seat blacks? It'd spring up so fast it'd make people's heads swim.
    I don't even understand why someone would refuse to sell their house to anyone. You're leaving the neigborhood, so why would it matter to you who moves in? All that matters is how much they'll pay. I'd sell my house to neo-nazi space lesbians if they gave me the best offer.

    As for the question at hand, most businesses that enacted an open racist policy would be run out of business quicker than you can say "No negros". Racism is no longer accepted in the public domain.
    Slipping into madness is good for the sake of comparison - Unknown.

  7. #27
    Sage


    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    43,243
    Blog Entries
    43

    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It pretty much already is, most of it is de facto segregation though.
    Maybe. But then that's even more an argument that Civil Rights statutes need to stand. At least there's a remedy now.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

  8. #28
    Sage


    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    43,243
    Blog Entries
    43

    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    I don't even understand why someone would refuse to sell their house to anyone. You're leaving the neigborhood, so why would it matter to you who moves in? All that matters is how much they'll pay. I'd sell my house to neo-nazi space lesbians if they gave me the best offer.

    As for the question at hand, most businesses that enacted an open racist policy would be run out of business quicker than you can say "No negros". Racism is no longer accepted in the public domain.
    The Neo-Nazi you can discriminate against. But not the lesbian. Ha! I don't agree with you, but that's why DP is so interesting.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

  9. #29
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Maybe. But then that's even more an argument that Civil Rights statutes need to stand. At least there's a remedy now.
    I don't think you can force people to want to live with other, different people.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  10. #30
    Sage


    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    43,243
    Blog Entries
    43

    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't think you can force people to want to live with other, different people.
    You're right. You can't. Don't want to live in certain neighborhoods? Don't buy there. It's that simple. But a seller? He can't "not" sell his home to someone considered a protected class in Civil Rights/Fair Housing Laws. It ends up being a very emotional thing for a seller when they realize they can't discriminate. They're furious. But....that's the law.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

Page 3 of 30 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •