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Thread: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights Act

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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    I had my hopes up again. I was thinking we could end the wars to pay for it. Silly me. LOL
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    Our courts are the same courts that say the states don't have a right to secede from the union. Which is a straight up lie when the 10th amendment reserves all rights not given to the Feds to the states and the people.

    My view is not because I'm racist nor do I condone such douchebaggery.

    I do respect private property rights.

    Furthermore, I'd rather know if a business is racist so I can spend my money elsewhere. The market would weed these folks out.

    When you legislate it, it's just sent underground.
    This isn't about states seceding Johnny, it's about whether bigots can discriminate. Please focus.

    Whether you or I do or do not choose to 'spend our money" in these businesses is irrelevant. These are businesses doing business in the commons using infrastructure provided by We the People, and are therefore obligated by force of Constitutional Law, to operate in a non-discriminatory manner. The "permission" of "the owners" as to who they will and won't "do business" with, as long as those customers act in a legal and appropriate way, is irrelevant and not required.

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    I know it's not about states' right to secede. I only used that as an examke of when the courts are wrong.

    I don't like the government controlling the people. Laws like this while they may have good intentions expand the scope of government. I don't like it.
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Many sections of the Civil Rights Act intrude on the rights of the citizen.

    Period.

    A man's "right" to have lodging does not supercede another man's right to control how his property is used.

    If a man owns a hotel in Harlem and he doesn't want to rent rooms with jonquis, then it violates his right to control his own property if the Congress unlawfully intrudes and forces him to do otherwise.

    No, you're wrong.

    A man owning a single hotel in Harlem is not subject to "interstate" commerce law. His hotel isn't crossing state lines. It doesn't matter what his clients are doing.

    The man owning a Chinese restaurant doesn't have to serve an brothers if he doesn't like them and doesn't want to. Again, all his commerce is local, and subject to state laws that do not violate his Constitutional rights.

    A chain of hotels is not engaged in interstate commerce. Not very many hotels cross state lines. Each and every one serves a clientele currently in a particular state.
    The Civil Rights Act applies to every business in the United States, whether or not they are engaged in interstate commerce.
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The Civil Rights Act applies to every business in the United States, whether or not they are engaged in interstate commerce.
    Billboard outside Georgia restaurant uses N-word to deride Obama health care policy plan

    Check this place out.

    They are implicitly discriminating against Black people but no one can do a thing about it.

    You can't stop stupid with laws, it doesn't work.
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The Civil Rights Act applies to every business in the United States, whether or not they are engaged in interstate commerce.
    Actually, the Act assumes that all businesses in the US are engaged in interstate commerce. That's where they derive the jurisdiction to regulate all businesses.

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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    I know it's not about states' right to secede. I only used that as an examke of when the courts are wrong.

    I don't like the government controlling the people. Laws like this while they may have good intentions expand the scope of government. I don't like it.
    "Controlling the people," Johnny? How about protecting the people?

    If "the gubmint" doesn't protect those who can't protect themselves, Johnny, who's gonna? The corporations? The bigots? The homophobes? The holier-than-thous? The "free market?"

    Every one of those has proved beyond any doubt that they will do exactly the opposite and the more power they grab, the more they will **** over We the People.

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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Billboard outside Georgia restaurant uses N-word to deride Obama health care policy plan

    Check this place out.

    They are implicitly discriminating against Black people but no one can do a thing about it.

    You can't stop stupid with laws, it doesn't work.
    Posting a sign isn't the same thing as refusing service in his restaurant. But one would have to ask, "What black man in his right mind would go into that restaurant?" Just proves we need Civil Rights Laws. But never fear, they aren't going anyplace.
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    "Controlling the people," Johnny? How about protecting the people?

    If "the gubmint" doesn't protect those who can't protect themselves, Johnny, who's gonna? The corporations? The bigots? The homophobes? The holier-than-thous? The "free market?"

    Every one of those has proved beyond any doubt that they will do exactly the opposite and the more power they grab, the more they will **** over We the People.
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    Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

    What I think Stossel is saying, is that businesses who want to discriminate will discriminate anyway. I mean when you get rejected at a job interview, does he really need to tell you the right reason. Changing the law will probably not have very much effect, because the ones who discriminate, already does and most people won't. John Stossel is not a moron and he often presents some good points, but he is sometimes a little bit too extreme.

    I still don't think it should be repelled. Think about what kind of signal would it would give if we repelled the Civil Rights Act. Are we saying it is okay to discriminate?
    Last edited by Camlon; 08-13-10 at 11:54 AM.

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