View Poll Results: FDR's Greatest Mistakes

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  • Seizing people's gold and devaluing currency by 42%

    17 28.33%
  • Outlawing personal ownership of gold

    18 30.00%
  • Huge tax increases

    16 26.67%
  • Tax withholding

    13 21.67%
  • Creation of world's greatest Ponzi scheme

    20 33.33%
  • Minimum wage

    13 21.67%
  • Massive eminent domain seizures (TVA, Oak Ridge, etc.)

    14 23.33%
  • Agitating Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor

    16 26.67%
  • Incarcerating Japanese-American citizens into concentration camps

    36 60.00%
  • Other (specify)

    15 25.00%
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Thread: FDR's Greatist Blunder

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    @the makeout hobo

    Hitler did not want war with Europe; in fact Hitler considered what was to be called the Allied Powers in Europe part of the Aryan race. Hitler’s Lebensraum (living space) did not include all of Europe nor was the plan to conquer all of Europe and his plans for Nazi German hegemony did not call for a conquering of Europe but, wanted to be a leader in politics, economics, culture, etc like America is today. Germany lost its ‘super’ power role after WW1 and Hitler wanted it back. Britain and France were the big dogs of Europe and Hitler wanted a seat at the table. When it came to land, Hitler wanted what was taken under the Treaty of Versailles. You must recall how Germany had fallen after WW1 and Hitler wanted to bring back a neo-German Empire pre-WW1. This is nothing new in Europe as the British, French, and Spanish did the same before.
    Hitler was no threat to America and Hitler did not want war with America. Hell, we even tried to provoke war with Germany but, Hitler refused.
    A similar path was held by Japan. Japan was no threat to America nor did they want war with America. Japan has few natural resources and America was one of Japan’s biggest raw materials customers. Japan in part needed America and would harm them if they wanted war or did not buy from America.

    It’s no speculation that Japan was provoked into war. Japan was dependant on foreign raw materials and without them; their newly advanced industrial and military power would collapse. The US would routinely dismiss Japanese diplomatic relations and terminated a key commercial treaty, and installed heavy embargos and froze Japanese assets in the US. It basically pushed Japan into a corner. It’s sad, because while FDR kept telling the people that he wanted peace, that he was fighting for peace and would do anything to keep American boys from war; the Japanese desperately appealed to FDR for peace negotiations and they were ignored. It was all by designed; just read the McCollum’s 5 page, 8 point action plan to getting America into the war.

    It’s not a big deal? I wish you could tell all the soldiers who died in WW2 that provoking war is no big deal.
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    @the makeout hobo

    Hitler did not want war with Europe; in fact Hitler considered what was to be called the Allied Powers in Europe part of the Aryan race. Hitlerís Lebensraum (living space) did not include all of Europe nor was the plan to conquer all of Europe and his plans for Nazi German hegemony did not call for a conquering of Europe but, wanted to be a leader in politics, economics, culture, etc like America is today. Germany lost its Ďsuperí power role after WW1 and Hitler wanted it back. Britain and France were the big dogs of Europe and Hitler wanted a seat at the table. When it came to land, Hitler wanted what was taken under the Treaty of Versailles. You must recall how Germany had fallen after WW1 and Hitler wanted to bring back a neo-German Empire pre-WW1. This is nothing new in Europe as the British, French, and Spanish did the same before.
    Hitler was no threat to America and Hitler did not want war with America. Hell, we even tried to provoke war with Germany but, Hitler refused.
    You clearly did not read what I said. I know he didn't want to start a fight with the UK or France. He did, however, have plans on conquering Eastern Europe, all the way to the Urals, to give the Germans "living space". That's why he went to war with the Allies in the first place, they weren't too keen on him gobbling up half a continent, including non ethnically german areas like Poland and parts of Czechoslovakian. In his book, he talks a good deal about his plan. And though we didn't know much about it at the time, the fact that we stopped his genocidal programs was a good thing I think we can all agree.

    I'm unfamiliar with what provoking you're referring to... he declared war on us easily enough after we declared war on Japan.

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    A similar path was held by Japan. Japan was no threat to America nor did they want war with America. Japan has few natural resources and America was one of Japanís biggest raw materials customers. Japan in part needed America and would harm them if they wanted war or did not buy from America. [/quote]
    This makes no grammatical sense. I'm not even sure what you're saying

    Itís no speculation that Japan was provoked into war. Japan was dependant on foreign raw materials and without them; their newly advanced industrial and military power would collapse. The US would routinely dismiss Japanese diplomatic relations and terminated a key commercial treaty, and installed heavy embargos and froze Japanese assets in the US. It basically pushed Japan into a corner. Itís sad, because while FDR kept telling the people that he wanted peace, that he was fighting for peace and would do anything to keep American boys from war; the Japanese desperately appealed to FDR for peace negotiations and they were ignored. It was all by designed; just read the McCollumís 5 page, 8 point action plan to getting America into the war.

    Itís not a big deal? I wish you could tell all the soldiers who died in WW2 that provoking war is no big deal.
    We're not obligated to trade with anyone. Us not trading with them is not justification for war. And Japan had attacked so many countries that it was doubtful that they'd have not attacked our holdings at some point no matter what we did.
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    @the makeout hobo

    Hitler did not want war with Europe; in fact Hitler considered what was to be called the Allied Powers in Europe part of the Aryan race. Hitler’s Lebensraum (living space) did not include all of Europe nor was the plan to conquer all of Europe and his plans for Nazi German hegemony did not call for a conquering of Europe but, wanted to be a leader in politics, economics, culture, etc like America is today. Germany lost its ‘super’ power role after WW1 and Hitler wanted it back. Britain and France were the big dogs of Europe and Hitler wanted a seat at the table. When it came to land, Hitler wanted what was taken under the Treaty of Versailles. You must recall how Germany had fallen after WW1 and Hitler wanted to bring back a neo-German Empire pre-WW1. This is nothing new in Europe as the British, French, and Spanish did the same before.
    Hitler was no threat to America and Hitler did not want war with America. Hell, we even tried to provoke war with Germany but, Hitler refused.
    A similar path was held by Japan. Japan was no threat to America nor did they want war with America. Japan has few natural resources and America was one of Japan’s biggest raw materials customers. Japan in part needed America and would harm them if they wanted war or did not buy from America.

    It’s no speculation that Japan was provoked into war. Japan was dependant on foreign raw materials and without them; their newly advanced industrial and military power would collapse. The US would routinely dismiss Japanese diplomatic relations and terminated a key commercial treaty, and installed heavy embargos and froze Japanese assets in the US. It basically pushed Japan into a corner. It’s sad, because while FDR kept telling the people that he wanted peace, that he was fighting for peace and would do anything to keep American boys from war; the Japanese desperately appealed to FDR for peace negotiations and they were ignored. It was all by designed; just read the McCollum’s 5 page, 8 point action plan to getting America into the war.

    It’s not a big deal? I wish you could tell all the soldiers who died in WW2 that provoking war is no big deal.
    Hitler wanted to humble the French and British. To say Hitler didn't want war in the West is ignorant.

    Japan CHOSE, of thei own free will, to attack the United States. Period. That America excercised its freedom to dease selling Japan war materials after Japan sank the USS Panay in Manchuria can in no way whatsoever be construed as the US forcing Japan tostart the war. 100% of all blame for the war in the Pacific rests with Japan.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo
    You clearly did not read what I said.
    No, you forgot that in post #63 you asked me to explain, thus I explained.
    The problems going on in Europe had nothing to do with America. Europe’s problems go back centuries before America was founded. WW1 made this clear to the American people but, sadly the US government had other plans.
    The military staffs of the US and British secretly formulated plans to create an incident in the northern Atlantic to provoke German U-boats to attack but, Hitler refused to take the bait. When Japan finally attacked, Hitler had to declare war because of the Tripartite Pact.
    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo
    I'm not even sure what you're saying
    Oh please! Japan followed a similar path as Germany (hegemony ring a bell?).
    Japan had no plans to attack America. Japan actually needed America because of our raw materials.
    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo
    We're not obligated to trade with anyone.
    Japan only focused on Asia and had no plans to attack America. I should have started with The McCollum memo. The memo provided an eight step plan to provoke Japan into war and FDR followed each step.
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

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    The main point of the background information was to show that this was Europe’s problem and not America’s problem. If Hitler wanted war with America he would have taken the bait in the north Atlantic but, he refused. Hitler wanted a neo-German Empire pre-WW1. Hitler did not want war with Western civilization, Hitler said, “The blood of every single Englishman is too valuable to shed…our two people belong together racially and traditionally. That is and always has been my aim…”
    Japan did not choose to attack the US! Japan was provoked by FDR who followed The McCollum memo point by point (this memo was written to plan to provoke Japan into war).
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hitler wanted to humble the French and British. To say Hitler didn't want war in the West is ignorant.

    Japan CHOSE, of thei own free will, to attack the United States. Period. That America excercised its freedom to dease selling Japan war materials after Japan sank the USS Panay in Manchuria can in no way whatsoever be construed as the US forcing Japan tostart the war. 100% of all blame for the war in the Pacific rests with Japan.
    I'm thanking your post... what is this world coming to?
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    If President Bush was our first Socialist President (per Michael Savage), I think FDR was our first totalitarian dictator. His hatred of free enterprise, military blunders during the war and outrageous assault on personal freedoms makes him one of the worst Presidents who have ever held office. I am thankful his death came in 1945 where he could do no more damage to our nation.
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    No, you forgot that in post #63 you asked me to explain, thus I explained.
    I was referring to me mentioning that Hitler only wanted Eastern Europe, and you seemingly trying to correct me on me saying Hitler wanted all of Europe or something. Try some coherency, buddy.

    The problems going on in Europe had nothing to do with America. Europeís problems go back centuries before America was founded. WW1 made this clear to the American people but, sadly the US government had other plans.
    Hitler also was invading countries right and left, including territories without a significant German population. He spelled out in his book that he wanted at least half the continent. To say nothing of the death camps.

    The military staffs of the US and British secretly formulated plans to create an incident in the northern Atlantic to provoke German U-boats to attack but, Hitler refused to take the bait. When Japan finally attacked, Hitler had to declare war because of the Tripartite Pact.
    I would love to see an actual internet source on this, if you have one. Regardless though, Hitler could have reneged on the contract. He chose to follow through.

    also, if what you say is true, why do you think the US would want war with Germany?



    Oh please! Japan followed a similar path as Germany (hegemony ring a bell?).
    Japan had no plans to attack America. Japan actually needed America because of our raw materials.
    No, I mean I couldn't make head or tails of what you had typed. Please, please, PLEASE proof read your posts.

    And we had no obligation to give or trade them anything. The were a sovereign nation, they had to deal with the consequences of their actions, like invading mainland Asia

    Japan only focused on Asia and had no plans to attack America. I should have started with The McCollum memo. The memo provided an eight step plan to provoke Japan into war and FDR followed each step.
    Just because Japan wasn't attacking us, doesn't mean we shouldn't have stopped them.
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    @Scarecrow Akhbar
    The main point of the background information was to show that this was Europe’s problem and not America’s problem. If Hitler wanted war with America he would have taken the bait in the north Atlantic but, he refused. Hitler wanted a neo-German Empire pre-WW1. Hitler did not want war with Western civilization, Hitler said, “The blood of every single Englishman is too valuable to shed…our two people belong together racially and traditionally. That is and always has been my aim…”
    Japan did not choose to attack the US! Japan was provoked by FDR who followed The McCollum memo point by point (this memo was written to plan to provoke Japan into war).
    Why should we have trust in a single word Hitler said?
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