View Poll Results: FDR's Greatest Mistakes

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  • Seizing people's gold and devaluing currency by 42%

    17 28.33%
  • Outlawing personal ownership of gold

    18 30.00%
  • Huge tax increases

    16 26.67%
  • Tax withholding

    13 21.67%
  • Creation of world's greatest Ponzi scheme

    20 33.33%
  • Minimum wage

    13 21.67%
  • Massive eminent domain seizures (TVA, Oak Ridge, etc.)

    14 23.33%
  • Agitating Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor

    16 26.67%
  • Incarcerating Japanese-American citizens into concentration camps

    36 60.00%
  • Other (specify)

    15 25.00%
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Thread: FDR's Greatist Blunder

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What accomplishments? He never got us out of the Depression and he got us into a war that killed hundreds of thousands.
    Are you really trying to blame him for getting us into WWII? He convinced America to get us into a war that quite possibly saved most of the free world from being under the thumb of either a genocidal dictator or a bloodthirsty military class. I really don't see how anyone can be against that
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    FDR’s Folly by Jim Powell is an excellent book.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Are you really trying to blame him for getting us into WWII? He convinced America to get us into a war that quite possibly saved most of the free world from being under the thumb of either a genocidal dictator or a bloodthirsty military class. I really don't see how anyone can be against that
    I think you need to review your history my comrade.
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    FDR’s Folly by Jim Powell is an excellent book.


    I think you need to review your history my comrade.
    Please enlighten me, then. Don't just throw out a book name, explain it in your own words
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Please enlighten me, then. Don't just throw out a book name, explain it in your own words
    Oh, the book was not for you and does not cover WW2.
    Well, let’s play this game; how did FDR convince America into WW2?
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    Oh, the book was not for you and does not cover WW2.
    Well, let’s play this game; how did FDR convince America into WW2?
    The Axis powers had a plan; do you know what I was? I will give you a hint; I wasn’t to take over the world.
    Hitler wanted to conquer Eastern Europe, dispose of the people there (and other groups of people), and use it as "growing room". Along the way, he was going to beat the **** out of anyone (i.e. France) who got in his way, happily placing them under direct or indirect Reich control. The Japanese wanted to unite as much of Asia as they could grab under an "economic sphere" of Japanese control. America wouldn't have been directly affected by Germany, and only midly effected by Japan, but it would have been bad for us in the long run.
    There's speculation that FDR tried to goad the Japanese into attacking us, but even if he did, I fail to see how that's a big deal
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    His attempt to stack the Supreme Court has to be one
    Absolutely. Fortunately, we now have a term limit of two terms for President.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    There's just one problem with the idea though. The government pays you the market rate for that home. Here's the catch, if that money was worth what you value the house minus the labor of moving, you would sell yourself. As such, the property owner gets trampled upon by the government because the property owner NECESSARILY takes a loss. There is no way around this: the government always undercompensates the property owner.
    There IS a way. Compensation should be REPLACEMENT costs PLUS the costs of moving, temporary housing, and all other related expenses.


    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That's the way it seems like since we allow ourselves to be subject to zoning laws, property taxes, eminent domain, etc. We have allowed the government to infringe on our property rights.

    But then you get into a discussion of the role of government in people's lives which is a little beyond the scope of this discussion.
    Yes, the government is doing far too much in just about everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    his greatest hurt inflicted on this nation was creating a lapdog judiciary that allowed him and his party to completely disregard the limited nature of a federal government intended by the founders. He is most responsible for the out of control government and massive taxes and deficits we have today
    Ditto.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    I disagree, I think Obama is responsible.
    He's continuing the treason.

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    I wanted aall of the above option.
    It's multiple choice. Vote for all of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    You should have split up the 1st choice, because taking peoples gold was a bad move and devaluing the currency was an excellent move.
    Both were essentially seizures of people's savings.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Define just compensation. I've pointed out that market value is not just compensation since the property owner values his home more than market value minus the hassle of moving.
    REPLACEMENT costs, PLUS moving and other expenses.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    he also destroyed the proper limits on the federal government and raped the tenth amendment.

    can anyone honestly claim that the commerce clause was intended to be a basis for federal gun control or to prevent people from smoking dope they grow on their own property?
    Our first gun control "laws" (violations of the second amendment.)

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Well what would you define as "just compensation"?


    REPLACEMENT costs PLUS moving, temporary housing, and other costs.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Stealing the gold, the ponzi scheme, the minimum wage.

    Also, the alphabet soup of unconstitutional federal agencies and programs. One, the FHA, is the direct progenitor of the financial meltdown of 2008. Given that socialist security hasn't run its course yet and the fever is still to break, the damaging presidency that was FDR's isn't over yet.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Internment camps and not repealing the Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Incarcerating Japanese-American citizens into concentration camps
    You need to make that option more historically accurate by including Italians and Germans.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Before I read the thread, I want to say that there are two things among the many mistakes that he made that stand out to me.

    1. The Japanese-American internment. Many of them were loyal American citizens, many of whom distinguished themselves on the battlefield in Italy and elsewhere in the European theater.

    2. The attempted court-packing. There is no Constitutional requirement that the Supreme Court have nine members, but it is a long tradition. He attempted to pack it with more members to get a favorable majority in response to parts of his New Deal being ruled unconstitutional. Fortunately, public outcry won the day on that attept.
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