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FDR's Greatist Blunder

FDR's Greatest Mistakes


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... the Department of Education... Greatist?
 
poliomyelitis

That was not a mistake as he had no choice as to whether he contracted that desease.

Rather it should be termed as a misfortune!
 
That was not a mistake as he had no choice as to whether he contracted that desease.

Rather it should be termed as a misfortune!

Obviously.
 
It's non-productive and incomplete...

Compare FDR's mistakes with his accomplishments to get the entire picture.

ricksfolly
 
It's non-productive and incomplete...

Compare FDR's mistakes with his accomplishments to get the entire picture.

ricksfolly

What accomplishments? He never got us out of the Depression and he got us into a war that killed hundreds of thousands.
 
What accomplishments? He never got us out of the Depression and he got us into a war that killed hundreds of thousands.

he also destroyed the proper limits on the federal government and raped the tenth amendment

can anyone honestly claim that the commerce clause was intended to be a basis for federal gun control or to prevent people from smoking dope they grow on their own property?
 
he also destroyed the proper limits on the federal government and raped the tenth amendment

can anyone honestly claim that the commerce clause was intended to be a basis for federal gun control or to prevent people from smoking dope they grow on their own property?

That was near the beginning of the horrible abuse of that clause. Now they use it for everything.
 
Define just compensation. I've pointed out that market value is not just compensation since the property owner values his home more than market value minus the hassle of moving.

Well what would you define as "just compensation"?
 
What accomplishments? He never got us out of the Depression and he got us into a war that killed hundreds of thousands.

Are you really trying to blame him for getting us into WWII? He convinced America to get us into a war that quite possibly saved most of the free world from being under the thumb of either a genocidal dictator or a bloodthirsty military class. I really don't see how anyone can be against that
 
FDR’s Folly by Jim Powell is an excellent book.

Are you really trying to blame him for getting us into WWII? He convinced America to get us into a war that quite possibly saved most of the free world from being under the thumb of either a genocidal dictator or a bloodthirsty military class. I really don't see how anyone can be against that
I think you need to review your history my comrade.
 
FDR’s Folly by Jim Powell is an excellent book.


I think you need to review your history my comrade.

Please enlighten me, then. Don't just throw out a book name, explain it in your own words
 
Please enlighten me, then. Don't just throw out a book name, explain it in your own words
Oh, the book was not for you and does not cover WW2.
Well, let’s play this game; how did FDR convince America into WW2?
The Axis powers had a plan; do you know what I was? I will give you a hint; I wasn’t to take over the world.
 
Oh, the book was not for you and does not cover WW2.
Well, let’s play this game; how did FDR convince America into WW2?
The Axis powers had a plan; do you know what I was? I will give you a hint; I wasn’t to take over the world.

Hitler wanted to conquer Eastern Europe, dispose of the people there (and other groups of people), and use it as "growing room". Along the way, he was going to beat the **** out of anyone (i.e. France) who got in his way, happily placing them under direct or indirect Reich control. The Japanese wanted to unite as much of Asia as they could grab under an "economic sphere" of Japanese control. America wouldn't have been directly affected by Germany, and only midly effected by Japan, but it would have been bad for us in the long run.
There's speculation that FDR tried to goad the Japanese into attacking us, but even if he did, I fail to see how that's a big deal
 
His attempt to stack the Supreme Court has to be one

Absolutely. Fortunately, we now have a term limit of two terms for President.

There's just one problem with the idea though. The government pays you the market rate for that home. Here's the catch, if that money was worth what you value the house minus the labor of moving, you would sell yourself. As such, the property owner gets trampled upon by the government because the property owner NECESSARILY takes a loss. There is no way around this: the government always undercompensates the property owner.

There IS a way. Compensation should be REPLACEMENT costs PLUS the costs of moving, temporary housing, and all other related expenses.


That's the way it seems like since we allow ourselves to be subject to zoning laws, property taxes, eminent domain, etc. We have allowed the government to infringe on our property rights.

But then you get into a discussion of the role of government in people's lives which is a little beyond the scope of this discussion.

Yes, the government is doing far too much in just about everything.

his greatest hurt inflicted on this nation was creating a lapdog judiciary that allowed him and his party to completely disregard the limited nature of a federal government intended by the founders. He is most responsible for the out of control government and massive taxes and deficits we have today

Ditto.

I disagree, I think Obama is responsible.

He's continuing the treason.

I wanted aall of the above option.

It's multiple choice. Vote for all of them.

You should have split up the 1st choice, because taking peoples gold was a bad move and devaluing the currency was an excellent move.

Both were essentially seizures of people's savings.

Define just compensation. I've pointed out that market value is not just compensation since the property owner values his home more than market value minus the hassle of moving.

REPLACEMENT costs, PLUS moving and other expenses.

he also destroyed the proper limits on the federal government and raped the tenth amendment.

can anyone honestly claim that the commerce clause was intended to be a basis for federal gun control or to prevent people from smoking dope they grow on their own property?

Our first gun control "laws" (violations of the second amendment.)

Well what would you define as "just compensation"?



REPLACEMENT costs PLUS moving, temporary housing, and other costs.
 
Stealing the gold, the ponzi scheme, the minimum wage.

Also, the alphabet soup of unconstitutional federal agencies and programs. One, the FHA, is the direct progenitor of the financial meltdown of 2008. Given that socialist security hasn't run its course yet and the fever is still to break, the damaging presidency that was FDR's isn't over yet.
 
Incarcerating Japanese-American citizens into concentration camps

You need to make that option more historically accurate by including Italians and Germans.
 
Before I read the thread, I want to say that there are two things among the many mistakes that he made that stand out to me.

1. The Japanese-American internment. Many of them were loyal American citizens, many of whom distinguished themselves on the battlefield in Italy and elsewhere in the European theater.

2. The attempted court-packing. There is no Constitutional requirement that the Supreme Court have nine members, but it is a long tradition. He attempted to pack it with more members to get a favorable majority in response to parts of his New Deal being ruled unconstitutional. Fortunately, public outcry won the day on that attept.
 
@the makeout hobo

Hitler did not want war with Europe; in fact Hitler considered what was to be called the Allied Powers in Europe part of the Aryan race. Hitler’s Lebensraum (living space) did not include all of Europe nor was the plan to conquer all of Europe and his plans for Nazi German hegemony did not call for a conquering of Europe but, wanted to be a leader in politics, economics, culture, etc like America is today. Germany lost its ‘super’ power role after WW1 and Hitler wanted it back. Britain and France were the big dogs of Europe and Hitler wanted a seat at the table. When it came to land, Hitler wanted what was taken under the Treaty of Versailles. You must recall how Germany had fallen after WW1 and Hitler wanted to bring back a neo-German Empire pre-WW1. This is nothing new in Europe as the British, French, and Spanish did the same before.
Hitler was no threat to America and Hitler did not want war with America. Hell, we even tried to provoke war with Germany but, Hitler refused.
A similar path was held by Japan. Japan was no threat to America nor did they want war with America. Japan has few natural resources and America was one of Japan’s biggest raw materials customers. Japan in part needed America and would harm them if they wanted war or did not buy from America.

It’s no speculation that Japan was provoked into war. Japan was dependant on foreign raw materials and without them; their newly advanced industrial and military power would collapse. The US would routinely dismiss Japanese diplomatic relations and terminated a key commercial treaty, and installed heavy embargos and froze Japanese assets in the US. It basically pushed Japan into a corner. It’s sad, because while FDR kept telling the people that he wanted peace, that he was fighting for peace and would do anything to keep American boys from war; the Japanese desperately appealed to FDR for peace negotiations and they were ignored. It was all by designed; just read the McCollum’s 5 page, 8 point action plan to getting America into the war.

It’s not a big deal? I wish you could tell all the soldiers who died in WW2 that provoking war is no big deal.
 
@the makeout hobo

Hitler did not want war with Europe; in fact Hitler considered what was to be called the Allied Powers in Europe part of the Aryan race. Hitler’s Lebensraum (living space) did not include all of Europe nor was the plan to conquer all of Europe and his plans for Nazi German hegemony did not call for a conquering of Europe but, wanted to be a leader in politics, economics, culture, etc like America is today. Germany lost its ‘super’ power role after WW1 and Hitler wanted it back. Britain and France were the big dogs of Europe and Hitler wanted a seat at the table. When it came to land, Hitler wanted what was taken under the Treaty of Versailles. You must recall how Germany had fallen after WW1 and Hitler wanted to bring back a neo-German Empire pre-WW1. This is nothing new in Europe as the British, French, and Spanish did the same before.
Hitler was no threat to America and Hitler did not want war with America. Hell, we even tried to provoke war with Germany but, Hitler refused.

You clearly did not read what I said. I know he didn't want to start a fight with the UK or France. He did, however, have plans on conquering Eastern Europe, all the way to the Urals, to give the Germans "living space". That's why he went to war with the Allies in the first place, they weren't too keen on him gobbling up half a continent, including non ethnically german areas like Poland and parts of Czechoslovakian. In his book, he talks a good deal about his plan. And though we didn't know much about it at the time, the fact that we stopped his genocidal programs was a good thing I think we can all agree.

I'm unfamiliar with what provoking you're referring to... he declared war on us easily enough after we declared war on Japan.

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A similar path was held by Japan. Japan was no threat to America nor did they want war with America. Japan has few natural resources and America was one of Japan’s biggest raw materials customers. Japan in part needed America and would harm them if they wanted war or did not buy from America. [/quote]
This makes no grammatical sense. I'm not even sure what you're saying

It’s no speculation that Japan was provoked into war. Japan was dependant on foreign raw materials and without them; their newly advanced industrial and military power would collapse. The US would routinely dismiss Japanese diplomatic relations and terminated a key commercial treaty, and installed heavy embargos and froze Japanese assets in the US. It basically pushed Japan into a corner. It’s sad, because while FDR kept telling the people that he wanted peace, that he was fighting for peace and would do anything to keep American boys from war; the Japanese desperately appealed to FDR for peace negotiations and they were ignored. It was all by designed; just read the McCollum’s 5 page, 8 point action plan to getting America into the war.

It’s not a big deal? I wish you could tell all the soldiers who died in WW2 that provoking war is no big deal.

We're not obligated to trade with anyone. Us not trading with them is not justification for war. And Japan had attacked so many countries that it was doubtful that they'd have not attacked our holdings at some point no matter what we did.
 
@the makeout hobo

Hitler did not want war with Europe; in fact Hitler considered what was to be called the Allied Powers in Europe part of the Aryan race. Hitler’s Lebensraum (living space) did not include all of Europe nor was the plan to conquer all of Europe and his plans for Nazi German hegemony did not call for a conquering of Europe but, wanted to be a leader in politics, economics, culture, etc like America is today. Germany lost its ‘super’ power role after WW1 and Hitler wanted it back. Britain and France were the big dogs of Europe and Hitler wanted a seat at the table. When it came to land, Hitler wanted what was taken under the Treaty of Versailles. You must recall how Germany had fallen after WW1 and Hitler wanted to bring back a neo-German Empire pre-WW1. This is nothing new in Europe as the British, French, and Spanish did the same before.
Hitler was no threat to America and Hitler did not want war with America. Hell, we even tried to provoke war with Germany but, Hitler refused.
A similar path was held by Japan. Japan was no threat to America nor did they want war with America. Japan has few natural resources and America was one of Japan’s biggest raw materials customers. Japan in part needed America and would harm them if they wanted war or did not buy from America.

It’s no speculation that Japan was provoked into war. Japan was dependant on foreign raw materials and without them; their newly advanced industrial and military power would collapse. The US would routinely dismiss Japanese diplomatic relations and terminated a key commercial treaty, and installed heavy embargos and froze Japanese assets in the US. It basically pushed Japan into a corner. It’s sad, because while FDR kept telling the people that he wanted peace, that he was fighting for peace and would do anything to keep American boys from war; the Japanese desperately appealed to FDR for peace negotiations and they were ignored. It was all by designed; just read the McCollum’s 5 page, 8 point action plan to getting America into the war.

It’s not a big deal? I wish you could tell all the soldiers who died in WW2 that provoking war is no big deal.

Hitler wanted to humble the French and British. To say Hitler didn't want war in the West is ignorant.

Japan CHOSE, of thei own free will, to attack the United States. Period. That America excercised its freedom to dease selling Japan war materials after Japan sank the USS Panay in Manchuria can in no way whatsoever be construed as the US forcing Japan tostart the war. 100% of all blame for the war in the Pacific rests with Japan.
 
the makeout hobo said:
You clearly did not read what I said.
No, you forgot that in post #63 you asked me to explain, thus I explained.
The problems going on in Europe had nothing to do with America. Europe’s problems go back centuries before America was founded. WW1 made this clear to the American people but, sadly the US government had other plans.
The military staffs of the US and British secretly formulated plans to create an incident in the northern Atlantic to provoke German U-boats to attack but, Hitler refused to take the bait. When Japan finally attacked, Hitler had to declare war because of the Tripartite Pact.
the makeout hobo said:
I'm not even sure what you're saying
Oh please! Japan followed a similar path as Germany (hegemony ring a bell?).
Japan had no plans to attack America. Japan actually needed America because of our raw materials.
the makeout hobo said:
We're not obligated to trade with anyone.
Japan only focused on Asia and had no plans to attack America. I should have started with The McCollum memo. The memo provided an eight step plan to provoke Japan into war and FDR followed each step.
 
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