View Poll Results: FDR's Greatest Mistakes

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  • Seizing people's gold and devaluing currency by 42%

    17 28.33%
  • Outlawing personal ownership of gold

    18 30.00%
  • Huge tax increases

    16 26.67%
  • Tax withholding

    13 21.67%
  • Creation of world's greatest Ponzi scheme

    20 33.33%
  • Minimum wage

    13 21.67%
  • Massive eminent domain seizures (TVA, Oak Ridge, etc.)

    14 23.33%
  • Agitating Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor

    16 26.67%
  • Incarcerating Japanese-American citizens into concentration camps

    36 60.00%
  • Other (specify)

    15 25.00%
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Thread: FDR's Greatist Blunder

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    In most eminent domain cases where the land in question is to be privatized, the company that stands to gain the land compensates the owners, not the government. In Louisville, where I live, UPS bought huge tracts of land and took over many neighborhoods in their expansion. They compensated the owners 20% above the market value of their property.
    But they still had to use eminent domain, did they not? In which case the transaction was still not voluntary and the property owners still then probably lost in the end.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That's probably true, but if its infrastructure, wealth in general is probably going to be raised as we have better electricity, roads, sewers, whatever.
    If net utility is raised then the government could pay people so that they would voluntarily leave rather than force them to leave.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Hmmm... since everything there with the exception of the internment camps, I see as a positive, I would go with trying to stack the Supreme Court. One of the worst things a President has ever attempted.
    Really? Seizing people's gold, devaluing the currency as rapidly as he did and forbidding things like gold ownership? Those are positives to ya eh? I never thought someone would defend theft as a positive; but each to their own. One can argue that we needed to move to a fiat system. OK, that's fine. I think it's true as well. Even back then silver could be cornered so there was a lot of risk to being metal backed. As well as it exposes your true debt then since your dollars represent a certain amount of gold instead of imaginary numbers. But that method was not a positive, what he did to the People to get the change he wanted; not good. What he did to the Judicial branch to get what he wanted, not good. Treason in fact. How the **** do we allow one branch of government to blackmail essentially to force them to rule in a way, and not call it treason? FDR should have been hanged, wheelchair and all. He put us under a declared state of emergency which has never been canceled.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If net utility is raised then the government could pay people so that they would voluntarily leave rather than force them to leave.
    It would be nice it if could work out that way. However, some people are like that guy in the movie UP.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But they still had to use eminent domain, did they not? In which case the transaction was still not voluntary and the property owners still then probably lost in the end.
    They indeed did use eminent domain, but for the simple reason that they had purchased all of the available land in the area and had extended the airport to the back door of the neighborhoods. Now most of the eminent domain land is vacant and was simply purchased to allow the residents to move away from the noise and prevent the loss of their property value due to having warehouses and fly-overs in the near vicinity.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    It would be nice it if could work out that way. However, some people are like that guy in the movie UP.
    Those cases are rare and it is easy to avoid one house like that. Besides, he might be more keen on moving when he sees his neighborhood destoyed.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Those cases are rare and it is easy to avoid one house like that. Besides, he might be more keen on moving when he sees his neighborhood destoyed.
    True, but most projects wont start until they are sure about the availability of the land.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    They indeed did use eminent domain, but for the simple reason that they had purchased all of the available land in the area and had extended the airport to the back door of the neighborhoods. Now most of the eminent domain land is vacant and was simply purchased to allow the residents to move away from the noise and prevent the loss of their property value due to having warehouses and fly-overs in the near vicinity.
    So they were forced to leave their property so that they could leave their property for their own benefit. Lol, that's a quirky explanation. They knew what was coming, they could have moved if they wanted to. I can understand the government compensating these people since they wouldn't have been able to leave without losing a ton of money, but forcing them to leave? I can't justify that.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    True, but most projects wont start until they are sure about the availability of the land.
    Then maybe these projects should be planned better beforehand to avoid problems like grumpy old men.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Then maybe these projects should be planned better beforehand to avoid problems like grumpy old men.
    I think where possible they should. So I agree in principal.

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