View Poll Results: FDR's Greatest Mistakes

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  • Seizing people's gold and devaluing currency by 42%

    17 28.33%
  • Outlawing personal ownership of gold

    18 30.00%
  • Huge tax increases

    16 26.67%
  • Tax withholding

    13 21.67%
  • Creation of world's greatest Ponzi scheme

    20 33.33%
  • Minimum wage

    13 21.67%
  • Massive eminent domain seizures (TVA, Oak Ridge, etc.)

    14 23.33%
  • Agitating Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor

    16 26.67%
  • Incarcerating Japanese-American citizens into concentration camps

    36 60.00%
  • Other (specify)

    15 25.00%
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Thread: FDR's Greatist Blunder

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Define "just compensation." I would argue that the only "just compensation" is that which the property owner voluntarily accepts.
    That's not what the founding fathers meant by the term, so you're in a disagreement with them. I would define just compensation as the market value of the land plus cost of moving and relocating. That's what has always been meant by the term in this context. Sometimes the government needs to take land for public goods like roads, only anarchists like you disagree with this.
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    That's not what the founding fathers meant by the term, so you're in a disagreement with them. I would define just compensation as the market value of the land plus cost of moving and relocating. That's what has always been meant by the term in this context. Sometimes the government needs to take land for public goods like roads, only anarchists like you disagree with this.
    And you know that this is what the founding fathers meant how?

    And look at that, a nice personal attack thrown in calling me an anarchist. I guess you've never actually talked to a real anarchist to see how crazy they really are.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    all apply even including the box for other..just can't think of any others right now.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And you know that this is what the founding fathers meant how?

    And look at that, a nice personal attack thrown in calling me an anarchist. I guess you've never actually talked to a real anarchist to see how crazy they really are.
    You are frighteningly close if you are not one, then. Anarchy in all but name. And I would challenge you to show me the writing of any founding father who contradicts me.
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    I think that his biggest blunder was not joining the war sooner. I think his economic policies were sound. overall

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    You are frighteningly close if you are not one, then. Anarchy in all but name. And I would challenge you to show me the writing of any founding father who contradicts me.
    In other words, you're not going to provide any evidence.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    In other words, you're not going to provide any evidence.
    No eminent domain law has ever agreed with you on this. Would you like me to dredge up old laws from the 1700s to back this up? Give me a single law or anything that backs up your claim.

    from an online legal dictionary... "the full value to be paid for property taken by the government for public purposes guaranteed by Fifth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution, which states: "...nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation." If the amount offered by the governmental agency taking the property is not considered sufficient, the property owner may demand a trial to determine just compensation."

    The property owner can take it to court to try to make sure they're actually getting what the land is worth, but they can't decide its worth whatever they want.
    just compensation legal definition of just compensation. just compensation synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.
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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    All of the above?

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Sometimes "needs" just means it's more convenient to inconvenience you.

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    Re: FDR's Greatist Blunder

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    No eminent domain law has ever agreed with you on this. Would you like me to dredge up old laws from the 1700s to back this up? Give me a single law or anything that backs up your claim.

    from an online legal dictionary... "the full value to be paid for property taken by the government for public purposes guaranteed by Fifth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution, which states: "...nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation." If the amount offered by the governmental agency taking the property is not considered sufficient, the property owner may demand a trial to determine just compensation."

    The property owner can take it to court to try to make sure they're actually getting what the land is worth, but they can't decide its worth whatever they want.
    just compensation legal definition of just compensation. just compensation synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.
    This doesn't prove anything. You have yet to provide a definition of "just" compensation. The definition that you are trying to use right completely ignores any truth to the subjective theory of value.

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