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    Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Hello everyone, the other thread reached almost 2000 posts and 192 pages!!!!
    It had to be closed because at around 2000 post it becomes taxing on the server, thanks independent_thinker2002

    Anyway lets keep it going since we had some great talks, some people even woke up and saw theres no reason and some had some at least semi-sensible new angles but still fell short. Not to mention I wanna continue because its funs and supports my research.

    Heres the link below and Ill also repost the OP.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...ight-stop.html

    Also just for an FYI the poll was spammed and the new one will be public but last CC (Captain Courtesy) checked it mirrored the results of the others I have conducted under THIS premise or is it right to stop not what you believe and that was AROUND 75% no and 25% yes.

    Now on to the OP
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    Not only am I looking for your opinion im looking for your reasoning if your answer is yes.

    I have discussed gay marriage many many times and have yet to hear ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage. Almost every reason I have ever heard was also used about women’s rights, equal rights, interracial marriage etc. the reason were dumb illogical then and the most certainly still are today, even more so since not only common sense and facts proves them wrong but history.

    now mind you, pay attention to my verbiage, I said reason to STOP it.

    That means in America I think its fine for anybody to:
    THINK its wrong, gross or offensive etc
    TEACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
    PREACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
    BELIEVE its wrong gross or offensive etc
    FEEL its wrong gross or offensive etc
    etc

    and i also believe and support in your rights to do so but once you try to stop it I think you wrong on so many levels.
    I can’t imagine how AMERICANS think they have the right to tell two CONSENTING ADULTS who and who they cant marry lmao

    Does it get anymore pompous, arrogant, selfish, hypercritical and anti american than that. How anybody thinks they have the right to tell a consenting adult they cant marry another consenting adult is beyond me.

    Also to be clear Im also not saying its wrong for you to VOTE on the subject everybody has that right of course.

    I myself am not gay so I REALLY feel its non of my business but has an american I have to call BS on the other so called americans that do think its there business some how.

    Anyway maybe this time will be different, it’ll actually be VERY interesting if it is different. So does anybody have ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bais, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage.

    Who thinks they have a sound reason why they should get to tell one American consenting adults they cant marry another consenting American adult.


    Also for some reference Ill try to list the general reasons people thought of that have been thoroughly debunked.

    Religion/god/bibleMeaningless and debunked

    Slipper slope argument: I should be able to marry my dog, pedophiles marring children etc. – Ludicrous and debunked

    Marriage is between a man and woman – this is a lie/opinion. Meaningless and debunked

    Morals – your morals are subjective, shouldn’t be forced on others and your morals aren’t effected one bit, you still get to believe in them as you see fit. Meaningless and debunked

    Gay Parents will “turn” their kids gay – LMAO this is also a uneducated fantasy. It has been proven that that children raised by gay parents are no more likely to be or not be gay. It has also been proven that children raised in a multi-parent home on average do better than a single parent home no matter the sex. Ignorant and debunked

    Churches will lose their rights – another silly argument that appeals to emotion and could probably be added under the “slipper slope” argument as well. Churches are already protected and will never lose their rights, they discriminate RIGHT NOW against who they want including STRAIGHT couples and will be able to continue to do so under the first amendment. Ludicrous and debunked

    Alright heres the most current update and lets have fun!
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    The only reason to stop it would be because it's called "marriage". Otherwise, no reason to stop it at all.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The only reason to stop it would be because it's called "marriage". Otherwise, no reason to stop it at all.
    explain?
    Because in reality and based on law and prior discussions thats absolutely no no reason it at all. Marriage is exactly what it will be and should be not to discriminate and to be equal. And for those that want to continue their OPINION thats its not can still have that opinion JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW

    even though all these marriages exist people still dont believe in them
    people still dont believe in interracial marriage
    people still dont believe in non-religious marriage
    people still dont believe in a discrepancy of religion between partners for marriage
    people still dont believe in a discrepancy between wealth for marriage
    people still dont believe in a citizen with a foreigner for marriage
    people still dont believe in a large age discrepancy to be marriage
    etc etc etc

    all these marriages above and many more people still dont BELIEVE in even though they are legal

    so calling it marriage is perfectly fine and how it should be
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    When ever I hear someone use the "slippery slope" theory concerning gay marriage... I LMAO

    I think you hit the nail on the head, Centrist. It is fine to believe gay marriage is wrong, but once you start trying to actually block it you move into the realm of being un-America. People can be against gay marriage all they want... though I disagree with them, they are still entitled to their opinion. But once people start denying one group of people what another group of people have, that's when I have a problem. If that isn't discrimination, I don't know what is?

    Edit: Centrist, you left out the "marriage is for starting a family and procreating" argument. Also false.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    explain?
    Because in reality and based on law and prior discussions thats absolutely no no reason it at all. Marriage is exactly what it will be and should be not to discriminate and to be equal. And for those that want to continue their OPINION thats its not can still have that opinion JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW

    even though all these marriages exist people still dont believe in them
    I'm not saying discriminate --- I'm saying call it something else other than the word "marriage". Then we're all set. I can't make it any simpler and really can't explain any more than I already have. Either you can read, comprehend and process my view, or you cannot.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm not saying discriminate --- I'm saying call it something else other than the word "marriage". Then we're all set. I can't make it any simpler and really can't explain any more than I already have. Either you can read, comprehend and process my view, or you cannot.
    No we are not all set, all marriages or just gay marriage?

    If it just gay marriage then it is EASILY argued discrimination whether you acknowledge that or not and you need to be able to defend your stand instead of just being smug LMAO

    If its all marriages thats a waste of time and will never be done.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    No we are not all set, all marriages or just gay marriage?

    If it just gay marriage then it is EASILY argued discrimination whether you acknowledge that or not and you need to be apply to defend your stand instead of just being smug LMAO
    So what's more important --- what homosexual unions are called, or the benefits that are derived from the legal recognition of such a union?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So what's more important --- what homosexual unions are called, or the benefits that are derived from the legal recognition of such a union?
    Equaity. Call it what it is: Marriage.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So what's more important --- what homosexual unions are called, or the benefits that are derived from the legal recognition of such a union?
    Not discriminating is the most important which means BOTH are important.

    So im guessing that is your stance then, you'll support it as long as its not called marriage?
    Like I already asked why? support your opinion.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Not discriminating is the most important which means BOTH are important.

    So im guessing that is your stance then, you'll support it as long as its not called marriage?
    Like I already asked why? support your opinion.
    Guess? I said it twice already... glad your finally catching up.

    Why? Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. <enter name here> is the union between a man/man or woman/woman.
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