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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

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CLAX1911 said:
No buddy you are trying to force your values on others and you want special tax exempt status to do so.

Hey pot quit calling the kettle black.

David said something far worse to me.
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no buddy..... you are trying to force your ideas of homosexuality on other people---children--------and force is not the way!

to put this in a nutshell again.

you [CLAX1911] want the public schools system to instruct children that homosexuality is normal and good.....that's what you want to do and you want to use the power of government to force it on people ,who cannot afford to pay for their child's education out of their own pocket who disagree with your ideas.

i [ernst barkmann], say force in not the way!...........the school system, should not be in the business of moral behavior, becuase it is not the business of government to teach one's morality, its not a duty of government, so i say leave the marriage, sexuality out of the class rooms all together, and let children be children.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
I do read the Bible.

You seem to be the one telling people they are or are not Christian. I don't think you have that privilege, frankly I think there was one of those ten commandments against just that.

The ends justify the means huh there false prophet demigod David.
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Never claimed to be a prophet, never said you weren't a Christian, I just highly doubt it based on what you have said and what the Bible says.
 
ernst barkmann said:
no buddy..... you are trying to force your ideas of homosexuality on other people---children--------and force is not the way!
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Except you prefer force. You wish to force your beliefs on public schools. The beliefs that homosexual progress in history isn't important.
to put this in a nutshell again.
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oh boy get ready for lies and slander.

you [CLAX1911] want the public schools system to instruct children that homosexuality is normal and good.
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okay, that is a complete lie. I want kids to learn that there are people in or world that are homosexuals and they deserve equality, just like women did and black people did. Apparently those valued shouldn't be taught in school.
...that's what you want to do and you want to use the power of government to force it on people ,who cannot afford to pay for their child's education out of their own pocket.
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another complete lie, there is nothing being forced on people.

If you can't afford something, try harder. I can't afford a Ferrari but if I really really wanted one I would try harder.
And teaching kids that all people are equal isn't really a bad thing being that it is the core principle of or nation.
i [ernst barkmann], say force in not the way!....
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Yet out of the other side of your mouth demand force.
.... . ...the school system, should not be in the business of moral behavior,
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another lie. You want homosexuality to remain morally reprehensible. You demand that history involving homosexuals not even be brought up. I can't believe you don't see your conflict here.
becuase it is not the business of government to teach one's morality, its not a duty of government,
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Yet you think it's the governments place to omit bits of history involving homosexuality because of your morality.

I am sorry but you are completely full of it.
So I say leave the marriage, sexuality out of the class rooms all together, and let children be children.
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So omit history because you have issues with sexuality

You are trying to force your morality on the schools. Teach your morality at home and get it the hell out of our schools. Practice what you preach.

Just because you have sine bizarre moral objection to other people getting married doesn't give you the right to force you're views on schools not does it give you the right to establish your backward morality ad there proper one.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Once again, no we do not, I cannot choose, without paying double, whatever school I wish.
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An educated populace benefits everyone.

"Every child in America should be acquainted with his own country. He should read books that furnish him with ideas that will be useful to him in life and practice. As soon as he opens his lips, he should rehearse the history of his own country."
Noah Webster, On the Education of Youth in America, 1788
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves, (A)nd if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power."
Thomas Jefferson
"If Virtue & Knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslav'd. This will be their great Security."
Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, February 12, 1779
"It is an object of vast magnitude that systems of education should be adopted and pursued which may not only diffuse a knowledge of the sciences but may implant in the minds of the American youth the principles of virtue and of liberty and inspire them with just and liberal ideas of government and with an inviolable attachment to their own country."
Noah Webster, On the Education of Youth in America
"It is the duty of parents to maintain their children decently, and according to their circumstances; to protect them according to the dictates of prudence; and to educate them according to the suggestions of a judicious and zealous regard for their usefulness, their respectability and happiness."
James Wilson, Lectures on Law, 1791
"[F]or avoiding the extremes of despotism or anarchy . . . the only ground of hope must be on the morals of the people. I believe that religion is the only solid base of morals and that morals are the only possible support of free governments. [T]herefore education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man towards God."
Gouverneur Morris, Penman and Signer of the Constitution.
All I am I owe to my mother. I attribute all my success in life to the moral, intellectual and physical education I received from her.
George Washington
"A Bible and a newspaper in every house, a good school in every district--all studied and appreciated as they merit--are the principal support of virtue, morality, and civil liberty."
Benjamin Franklin
"If truth be not diffused, error will be."
Daniel Webster
 
winston53660 said:
Yes you do or you can homeschool
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no you dont, it might not be possible to home school becuase its 1 parent household, or i both parents have to work to make ends meet.

i dont have money to send my children to a private school becuase i am working low-income family.
 
ernst barkmann said:
sorry yes it is....when you read the bible, you are listening to gods words.
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No it isn't.
No matter how much you want to believe it is it doesn't make it so.
 
ernst barkmann said:
no you dont, it might not be possible to home school becuase its 1 parent household, or i both parents have to work to make ends meet.

i dont have money to send my children to a private school becuase i am working low-income family.
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Then it is a good thing you have access to public schools.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Except you prefer force. You wish to force your beliefs on public schools. The beliefs that homosexual progress in history isn't important.
oh boy get ready for lies and slander.

okay, that is a complete lie. I want kids to learn that there are people in or world that are homosexuals and they deserve equality, just like women did and black people did. Apparently those valued shouldn't be taught in school.
another complete lie, there is nothing being forced on people.

If you can't afford something, try harder. I can't afford a Ferrari but if I really really wanted one I would try harder.
And teaching kids that all people are equal isn't really a bad thing being that it is the core principle of or nation.
Yet out of the other side of your mouth demand force.
another lie. You want homosexuality to remain morally reprehensible. You demand that history involving homosexuals not even be brought up. I can't believe you don't see your conflict here.
Yet you think it's the governments place to omit bits of history involving homosexuality because of your morality.

I am sorry but you are completely full of it.

So omit history because you have issues with sexuality

You are trying to force your morality on the schools. Teach your morality at home and get it the hell out of our schools. Practice what you preach.

Just because you have sine bizarre moral objection to other people getting married doesn't give you the right to force you're views on schools not does it give you the right to establish your backward morality ad there proper one.
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wrong again i have taken no stance on the issue.....i am not advocating for your side or the other side.

if someone wanted to teach in schools homosexuality was abnormal /bad......i would be AGAINST THEM TOO.
 
ernst barkmann said:
well you believe what you wish and i will what i wish, ....and i say that because of what i have been taught by my mother ,who is a preacher
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Agreed so when you say BS like the Bible is the word of God I am free to point out that it is just that BS. You are free to disregard me and continue to believe your delusions. Where we have a problem is when you use that BS to try and demand that the world work in accordance to how you interpret that particular bit of BS
 
ernst barkmann said:
wrong again i have taken no stance on the issue.....i am not advocating for your side or the other side.
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Lies
You have taken a stance, you are advocating your opinion. Homosexual marriage is part of history whether you like it or not. You want that part of history omitted because it is against your morality.
if someone wanted to teach in schools homosexuality was abnormal /bad......i would be AGAINST THEM TOO.
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Right as you should be. It would be wrong to teach that being black is abnormal and wrong.

But is it wrong to teach that being black is okay, and that Martin Luther king was a black man that fought for black equality?
Why would it be wrong to discuss the history on homosexuality.

See you are just supporting your morality. You are the one using force.
 
quag said:
agreed so when you say bs like the bible is the word of god i am free to point out that it is just that bs. You are free to disregard me and continue to believe your delusions. Where we have a problem is when you use that bs to try and demand that the world work in accordance to how you interpret that particular bit of bs
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your you correct tin the first part of your statement.........however dead wrong in the second...............do you see demand in my statement at all?...no.....for you see force in my statements at all?.....no

you inserted that word[demand],for me, and made an accusation against me, that i am am demanding of people something which is not true, ...so you are falsely trying to put words into my word, and make claims against me............now!...... Care to tell me why you are doing that?
 
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