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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

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Fletch said:
But couldn't you do that for every potential relationship? By your standard every relationship is normal.
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I am uninterested in other relationships. You wanted to know how to determine that homosexuality is normal. I told you.
 
Fletch said:
What should and should not be taught in schools is always an issue because we basically have government run education. If all education were private and with no state involvement, what children learn and, hence, what is taught, would be up to the parents. As it should be. The proper fight is against the idea of government schools, not what they teach there.
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And if the parents want to teach the Earth is flat 6000 years old frog warts heal cancer? Nah I don't like your idea.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
So you use the thoughts (e.g. definitions) of others the shape your beliefs. Got it...
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No, I use accepted definitions to understand how words and language are understood. Of course if you want to define words differently, be my guest, though I suspect you are going to have a problem communicating.

Nice try.
 
Fletch said:
What should and should not be taught in schools is always an issue because we basically have government run education. If all education were private and with no state involvement, what children learn and, hence, what is taught, would be up to the parents. As it should be. The proper fight is against the idea of government schools, not what they teach there.
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my argument is government is not a moral authority.

for those who currently sit in governmental seats to teach children there set of values during their terms.
 
ernst barkmann said:
new word ....owned

please continue
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I will, i love this!
not only is it hilarious but its interesting. I always wonder what the motivation is or the disconnect that leads somebody to such desperation to deny facts. Insecurities? dishonesty? ignorance of the topic? embarrassment? or just simply trying to get a raise out of others, which would be a definite fail in this case. either way funny.

anyway, back to topic

please continue deflecting and getting owned
so now if you will, in your next post please link/state these facts that support your failed, laughable claims or dodge and lose again
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I am uninterested in other relationships. You wanted to know how to determine that homosexuality is normal. I told you.
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No, you gave me a formula for determining how every relationship can be defined as normal. But by declaring everything as normal, you destroy the concept of normalcy. Which seems to be your goal here anyway.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, I use accepted definitions to understand how words and language are understood. Of course if you want to define words differently, be my guest, though I suspect you are going to have a problem communicating.

Nice try.
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Let's get a bit more basic in this discussion. At what level of government should education be controlled, if at all?
 
Fletch said:
What should and should not be taught in schools is always an issue because we basically have government run education. If all education were private and with no state involvement, what children learn and, hence, what is taught, would be up to the parents. As it should be. The proper fight is against the idea of government schools, not what they teach there.
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Nah, I'm fine with an universal curriculum. Government schools tend to be less values-oriented in what they teach. Once you start adding values in general education, you muck up the presentation of facts. If parents want to teach their kids their values, they certainly can.
 
ernst barkmann said:
my argument is government is not a moral authority.

for those who currently sit in governmental seats to teach children there set of values during their terms.
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I agree, but that is the problem. If you want a moral education, you wont be able to get it at a state school. particularly in our politically correct culture. They wont teach values, they will destroy them.
 
AGENT J said:
I will, i love this!
not only is it hilarious but its interesting. I always wonder what the motivation is or the disconnect that leads somebody to such desperation to deny facts. Insecurities? dishonesty? ignorance of the topic? embarrassment? or just simply trying to get a raise out of others, which would be a definite fail in this case. either way funny.

anyway, back to topic

please continue deflecting and getting owned
so now if you will, in your next post please link/state these facts that support your failed, laughable claims or dodge and lose again
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good ,i love it and you to man
 
winston53660 said:
And if the parents want to teach the Earth is flat 6000 years old frog warts heal cancer? Nah I don't like your idea.
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yep the argument is so mentally retarded and illogical nobody buys it, its just like this


" im going to yell at my school tomorrow, i dont want them teaching that old math that 2+2=4 when i know it equals five and they better not tell my kid all the left-handed people, redheaded people, blacks and or Catholic people and jewish people are normal!

how dare they!!!!! they are taking sides!!!!"
 
Fletch said:
No, you gave me a formula for determining how every relationship can be defined as normal. But by declaring everything as normal, you destroy the concept of normalcy. Which seems to be your goal here anyway.
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No, I gave you a formula that has been used to determine whether homosexuality is normal or not. YOU took the leap and stated that this determines that everything is normal, not I.
 
ernst barkmann said:
good ,i love it and you to man
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please continue deflecting and getting owned
so now if you will, in your next post please link/state these facts that support your failed, laughable claims or dodge and lose again
 
Fletch said:
I agree, but that is the problem. If you want a moral education, you wont be able to get it at a state school. particularly in our politically correct culture. They wont teach values, they will destroy them.
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well i am not after morals, i am after our schools not teaching the morals of the left or right......government out of the moral power trip
 
ernst barkmann said:
my argument is government is not a moral authority.

for those who currently sit in governmental seats to teach children there set of values during their terms.
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I would agree with this. And I HAVE agreed with this from the beginning. The problem here seems to be with what you would consider a fact, which is why I want you to define it.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
It's a fairly simple question, and I'm sure you're capable of understanding the definition of control...
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Control is a rather strong word and has context. Describe the context in which you are using it.
 
ernst barkmann said:
please continue with more air
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your post loses and again is destroyed by facts
please continue deflecting and getting owned
so now if you will, in your next post please link/state these facts that support your failed, laughable claims or dodge and lose again

good thing others dont have the same failed logic you do

" im going to yell at my school tomorrow, i dont want them teaching that old math that 2+2=4 when i know it equals five and they better not tell my kid all the left-handed people, redheaded people, blacks and or Catholic people and jewish people are normal!

how dare they!!!!! they are taking sides!!!!"



ernst barkmann said:
no ...i presented no facts here
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so true
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Nah, I'm fine with an universal curriculum. Government schools tend to be less values-oriented in what they teach. Once you start adding values in general education, you muck up the presentation of facts. If parents want to teach their kids their values, they certainly can.
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But you being fine with a universal curriculum doesn't give you the right to impose that curriculum on your neighbors. But that is exactly what you are doing by defending government schools. If you don't like what your kids are being taught, you should be free to seek education that is more in tune with your values and those you wish to impart upon your children, not herded like cattle into a one-size-fits-all education determined by political hacks and nameless bureaucrats.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Control is a rather strong word and has context. Describe the context in which you are using it.
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Okay, I'll make it even simpler. At what level should government assert influence in education?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, I gave you a formula that has been used to determine whether homosexuality is normal or not. YOU took the leap and stated that this determines that everything is normal, not I.
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But you had no counter to my argument, so I think it stands.
 
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