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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

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ernst barkmann said:
wrong, I don't want my believes, or yours or anyone's else around.....but you do, and you want yours
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what you just posted is a bold face lie and we all know it and laugh at it
 
AGENT J said:
translation: you still have no facts to support the failed claims you made

you caring doesn't change the fact your post got destroyed, please dont stop posting
we will keep waiting, let us know when you can
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see what i mean.........father time is most definitely not on an old path with you.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Statistically, that would be correct. From a psychological standpoint, my definition is correct. You may have a problem with that, but that really doesn't matter at all.

Tell us how in what context you were using the word normal.
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I already explained how I was using the word normal. But in order to have normal sexual attraction, there has to be some abnormal sexual attraction. If its not homosexuality, what is it?
 
ernst barkmann said:
see what i mean.........father time is most definitely not on an old path with you.
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YES!!!!

thank you for posting again!

you still got nothing more desperate deflections that are failing
come on, do it, teach us all a lesson
let us know when you have any facts to back up your failed claim, we've been waiting for pages
 
ernst barkmann said:
i am ok with that, laughing is good for you.....what else do you have for me?
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same thing we have had for pages, trying to educated you on facts and homosexuality but apparently either through dishonesty or sever ignorance of this topic its not taking. But the team smack down your posts are getting is very entertaining
 
AGENT J said:
same thing we have had for pages, trying to educated you on facts and homosexuality but apparently either through dishonesty or sever ignorance of this topic its not taking. But the team smack down your posts are getting is very entertaining
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friend it seems you have no one else to talk to, if you feel your need to keep talking but really saying nothing....please continue.
 
Fletch said:
I already explained how I was using the word normal.
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Not that I saw.

But in order to have normal sexual attraction, there has to be some abnormal sexual attraction. If its not homosexuality, what is it?
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Actually, in order to demonstrate that homosexuality is a normal sexual attraction, all one has to do is show that it is like heterosexuality, an accepted normal sexual attraction, which it is.
 
ernst barkmann said:
you have laid claim to things you promote as fact, please ..you define it for me.
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Nope. It's your confusion over the usage of this word that is the problem. You define it.
 
Fletch said:
I already explained how I was using the word normal. But in order to have normal sexual attraction, there has to be some abnormal sexual attraction. If its not homosexuality, what is it?
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How do you mean, "normal"? If you are talking about the "norm" as a biological function, why do you consider the widespread (among many social species, not just humans) phenomenon of homosexuality as something "abnormal", and not as a normal adaptive mechanism?

After all, you would not call bees or naked mole rats - who keep the majority of their species' members "on hold" in terms of procreation - "abnormal" or "perverted", right? They are just what they are, what evolution made them - and not any worse for wear...
 
ernst barkmann said:
you set the tone, because you say they are on your side.........you define it for me.
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Nope, you keep confusing facts with beliefs no matter how often the difference is described to you. Define "fact".
 
AGENT J said:
Hello everyone, the other thread reached almost 2000 posts and 192 pages!!!!
It had to be closed because at around 2000 post it becomes taxing on the server, thanks independent_thinker2002

Anyway lets keep it going since we had some great talks, some people even woke up and saw theres no reason and some had some at least semi-sensible new angles but still fell short. Not to mention I wanna continue because its funs and supports my research.

Heres the link below and Ill also repost the OP.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/71580-gay-marriage-right-stop.html

Also just for an FYI the poll was spammed and the new one will be public but last CC (Captain Courtesy) checked it mirrored the results of the others I have conducted under THIS premise or is it right to stop not what you believe and that was AROUND 75% no and 25% yes.

Now on to the OP
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Not only am I looking for your opinion im looking for your reasoning if your answer is yes.

I have discussed gay marriage many many times and have yet to hear ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage. Almost every reason I have ever heard was also used about women’s rights, equal rights, interracial marriage etc. the reason were dumb illogical then and the most certainly still are today, even more so since not only common sense and facts proves them wrong but history.

now mind you, pay attention to my verbiage, I said reason to STOP it.

That means in America I think its fine for anybody to:
THINK its wrong, gross or offensive etc
TEACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
PREACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
BELIEVE its wrong gross or offensive etc
FEEL its wrong gross or offensive etc
etc

and i also believe and support in your rights to do so but once you try to stop it I think you wrong on so many levels.
I can’t imagine how AMERICANS think they have the right to tell two CONSENTING ADULTS who and who they cant marry lmao

Does it get anymore pompous, arrogant, selfish, hypercritical and anti american than that. How anybody thinks they have the right to tell a consenting adult they cant marry another consenting adult is beyond me.

Also to be clear Im also not saying its wrong for you to VOTE on the subject everybody has that right of course.

I myself am not gay so I REALLY feel its non of my business but has an american I have to call BS on the other so called americans that do think its there business some how.

Anyway maybe this time will be different, it’ll actually be VERY interesting if it is different. So does anybody have ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bais, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage.

Who thinks they have a sound reason why they should get to tell one American consenting adults they cant marry another consenting American adult.


Also for some reference Ill try to list the general reasons people thought of that have been thoroughly debunked.

Religion/god/bible – Meaningless and debunked

Slipper slope argument: I should be able to marry my dog, pedophiles marring children etc. – Ludicrous and debunked

Marriage is between a man and woman – this is a lie/opinion. Meaningless and debunked

Morals – your morals are subjective, shouldn’t be forced on others and your morals aren’t effected one bit, you still get to believe in them as you see fit. Meaningless and debunked

Gay Parents will “turn” their kids gay – LMAO this is also a uneducated fantasy. It has been proven that that children raised by gay parents are no more likely to be or not be gay. It has also been proven that children raised in a multi-parent home on average do better than a single parent home no matter the sex. Ignorant and debunked

Churches will lose their rights – another silly argument that appeals to emotion and could probably be added under the “slipper slope” argument as well. Churches are already protected and will never lose their rights, they discriminate RIGHT NOW against who they want including STRAIGHT couples and will be able to continue to do so under the first amendment. Ludicrous and debunked

Alright heres the most current update and lets have fun!
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how many sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason are there to "Stop" gay marriage

GOOD REASONS: 0
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If hetero monogamis marriage had proven itself to be superior, then I might resist SSM.

But it didn't.
 
ernst barkmann said:
wrong, I don't want my believes, or yours or anyone's else around.....but you do, and you want yours
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No, you want tax exempt status for people that take their kids out of public schools. You dont care about people who dint have children.

you said as much many times.

the school teaches beliefs, that is their job.
 
ernst barkmann said:
friend it seems you have no one else to talk to, if you feel your need to keep talking but really saying nothing....please continue.
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yep another failed deflection. when you are ready to get back on topic let us know when you have any facts that support your failed claim, we cant wait!!
 
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