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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

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ernst barkmann said:
you don't get to determine what facts are, there are facts....however they may not rest on your side of the argument.
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Okay what fact(s) do you have and how do you support them?
 
ernst barkmann said:
friend, your amateurish ways do not hold a candle, I don't care what you believe of me, you are free to think as you will and spout what you think to be truth.........feel free.
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translation: you are now deflecting because you have no facts to back up your failed claims and you are hoping nobody sees how bad your post was destroyed but we do.

all the honest, objected and educated posters about this topic do, we get it, we know your posts are desperately trying to deflect, we just arent letting you off the hook.

so now its up to you, make a post with some integrity, admit you misspoke, were factually wrong, silently walk away, present facts that support you or continue to deflect and get your posts destroyed.

Doesnt matter to me. Id prefer you keep posting those because thats the most entertaining but do what you want, feel free.
 
winston53660 said:
Okay what fact(s) do you have and how do you support them?
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you misunderstand, I am not putting forth facts on the issue from me, you have a position you hold this issue.

other people than yourself hold a different position than yours.

well what makes your position correct, and others position incorrect.

if you hold that government can put forth a position you believe in, than government can put forth a position you don't believe in.

so if a state promotes your position in its schools, then another state can promote a position in its school which is opposite of your position....can it not?
 
AGENT J said:
translation: you are now deflecting because you have no facts to back up your failed claims and you are hoping nobody sees how bad your post was destroyed but we do.

all the honest, objected and educated posters about this topic do, we get it, we know your posts are desperately trying to deflect, we just arent letting you off the hook.

so now its up to you, make a post with some integrity, admit you misspoke, were factually wrong, silently walk away, present facts that support you or continue to deflect and get your posts destroyed.

Doesnt matter to me. Id prefer you keep posting those because thats the most entertaining but do what you want, feel free.
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friend i have gone round and round with you over this and you and I are not going to see eye to eye, so why continue,?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Normalcy, in this case, refers to something that is without defect or disorder.
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Where do you come up with that definition? What you are describing is perfection, not normalcy. It is normal to be sexually attracted to someone of the opposite sex. Homosexuality is abnormal. You may have no problem with it, but that doesn't make it normal.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Your lack of actin is not force, you have the ability to step out of public school you choose to stay there for some reason, not sure why. But your inability to provide your children with the education you think they deserve is your failing, it isn't force sorry.




The government doesn't do any such thing.
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why are you against giving parents their school tax money, and letting find their own school since you wish to control what is being taught on a social level.

simple public schools who collapse because parents would remove their children, because of the public schools failure's
 
ernst barkmann said:
you don't get to determine what facts are, there are facts....however they may not rest on your side of the argument.
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Facts ARE. And if they rest on my side of the argument... which they do, you seem to want to suppress them.
 
ernst barkmann said:
you misunderstand, I am not putting forth facts on the issue from me, you have a position you hold this issue.

other people than yourself hold a different position than yours.

well what makes your position correct, and others position incorrect.

if you hold that government can put forth a position you believe in, than government can put forth a position you don't believe in.

so if a state promotes your position in its schools, then another state can promote a position in its school which is opposite of your position....can it not?
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Define the word "fact".
 
Fletch said:
Where do you come up with that definition? What you are describing is perfection, not normalcy. It is normal to be sexually attracted to someone of the opposite sex. Homosexuality is abnormal. You may have no problem with it, but that doesn't make it normal.
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Statistically, that would be correct. From a psychological standpoint, my definition is correct. You may have a problem with that, but that really doesn't matter at all.

Tell us how in what context you were using the word normal.
 
ernst barkmann said:
well what makes your position correct, and others position incorrect.
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We have been over that already.

if you hold that government can put forth a position you believe in, than government can put forth a position you don't believe in.
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Flat earthers unite! let the facts be known!

so if a state promotes your position in its schools, then another state can promote a position in its school which is opposite of your position....can it not?
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They cannot teach creationism is science, they cannot teach the Earth is flat, they cannot teach homosexuality is a disease.
 
ernst barkmann said:
oh how do you know you have the facts?

where did you obtain knowledge that you know you do.
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I read research and studies that show factual evidence of hypothesis. Where do you get YOUR facts?
 
ernst barkmann said:
why are you against giving parents their school tax money, and letting find their own school since you wish to control what is being taught on a social level.
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why are you against giving your children the education you think they deserve because out requires you to pay for it.

All people who funny have kids should get tax money back first if parents that take their kids out of school get their money back. I am not against out, I am against special treatment of people who have children and don't want them in public schools.

Saying they dint have to pay because their kids aren't in public schools is giving them special treatment. people ego dint have any children don't have kids in public schools, my parents fire example but they dint get special treatment.

Why are you pro special treatment of people who opt out of public schools?
simple public schools who collapse because parents would remove their children, because of the public schools failure's
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No, people who don't have kids would be paying for it. We have been through all of thus before.


Your greed isn't government force. Pay your taxes and afford private school if you think your kids deserve it. You will pay taxes once your kids are adults. Why should your beliefs get special treatment? That isn't really libertarian.
 
winston53660 said:
We have been over that already.



Flat earthers unite! let the facts be known!



They cannot teach creationism is science, they cannot teach the Earth is flat, they cannot teach homosexuality is a disease.
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side tracking argument will not help your case.

what you believe to be facts, are not always facts to other people.

why do you think what you believe as fact, should prevail over other people and what they perceive as fact
 
CLAX1911 said:
why are you against giving your children the education you think they deserve because out requires you to pay for it.

All people who funny have kids should get tax money back first if parents that take their kids out of school get their money back. I am not against out, I am against special treatment of people who have children and don't want them in public schools.

Saying they dint have to pay because their kids aren't in public schools is giving them special treatment. people ego dint have any children don't have kids in public schools, my parents fire example but they dint get special treatment.

Why are you pro special treatment of people who opt out of public schools?

No, people who don't have kids would be paying for it. We have been through all of thus before.


Your greed isn't government force. Pay your taxes and afford private school if you think your kids deserve it. You will pay taxes once your kids are adults. Why should your beliefs get special treatment? That isn't really libertarian.
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I am for liberty, and when government uses force I am appalled by it.

we have seen government with its polices in schools of some states force feed children ideas, of those who happen to hold an elected seat against the objections of the people who sent those children to schools.
 
ernst barkmann said:
friend i have gone round and round with you over this and you and I are not going to see eye to eye, so why continue,?
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well i can answer for me, i have no clue why you do. I love when people argue against facts, i like watching them desperately deflect and try to come up with something new while each and every post of theirs just gets destroyed. Its very funny. But also sometimes its great to see a person actually LEARN on a topic or show integrity and admit a mistake, it helps us all gauge a posters integrity, honesty and ability to learn. SO again sticking with the topic its up to you.

please post the facts that support your failed claim or continue our entertainment and do more deflecting.
 
AGENT J said:
well i can answer for me, i have no clue why you do. I love when people argue against facts, i like watching them desperately deflect and try to come up with something new while each and every post of theirs just gets destroyed. Its very funny. But also sometimes its great to see a person actually LEARN on a topic or show integrity and admit a mistake, it helps us all gauge a posters integrity, honesty and ability to learn. SO again sticking with the topic its up to you.

please post the facts that support your failed claim or continue our entertainment and do more deflecting.
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no what you are going to do is keep talking, and really saying nothing, but. destroy, lie, I won, you lost.............which I reply.......I don't care.
 
ernst barkmann said:
I am for liberty, and when government uses force I am appalled by it.
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no, you are for special treatment of your believes. Only people who put their kids in private school because of beliefs similar to yours should have tax exemptions. People who don't have children in schools they have to pay.

Sounds like preferential treatment to me.
we have seen government with its polices in schools of some states force feed children ideas, of those who happen to hold an elected seat against the objections of the people who sent those children to schools.
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It has never been otherwise.
 
ernst barkmann said:
no what you are going to do is keep talking, and really saying nothing, but. destroy, lie, I won, you lost.............which I reply.......I don't care.
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translation: you still have no facts to support the failed claims you made

you caring doesn't change the fact your post got destroyed, please dont stop posting
we will keep waiting, let us know when you can
 
CLAX1911 said:
no, you are for special treatment of your believes. Only people who put their kids in private school because of beliefs similar to yours should have tax exemptions. People who don't have children in schools they have to pay.

Sounds like preferential treatment to me.

It has never been otherwise.
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wrong, I don't want my believes, or yours or anyone's else around.....but you do, and you want yours
 
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